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Newspapers : Birmingham Papers (usually BhamPost) 150 Years Ago 1867-
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Lady Penelope
master brummie
Mike, Post #241 - there still aren't that many toilets in the park considering how many visitors it gets. Most of the visitors would have come via Town Gate in the 1860's I expect as that's nearest the station.
Eric Gibson
master brummie
That's because no one is prepared to pay for such a service and when they are provided they are abused, vandalised.
Railway station public toilets at Paddington and the like have a 30p charge and are manned to prevent vandalism but 30p is grumbled at as extortion for 'spending a penny'.
Personally I think it's damned cheap.
Railway station public toilets at Paddington and the like have a 30p charge and are manned to prevent vandalism but 30p is grumbled at as extortion for 'spending a penny'.
Personally I think it's damned cheap.
Lady Penelope
master brummie
Eric, I'd be happy to pay 30p. I know what you mean about vandalism but graffiti has always been a problem. They've installed one of those automatic loos in the Jewellery Qtr and although I've had to resort to these on occasion I'm terrified of the door opening before I want it to. Imagine the headline......
Eric Gibson
master brummie
Imagine the headline if the door won't open and they call the fire brigade to get you out. 
Lady Penelope
master brummie
At least I'd have time to cover my modesty...
11.7.1867
Looks like Holders Concert Hall is up for sale. the 1867 directory states that it is being run by John Soward, but by 1868 it had become the Birmingham Concert Hall, run by John Judd & Co. It later became the Gaiety.
I think articles like this might put people off going to the beach.
Looks like Holders Concert Hall is up for sale. the 1867 directory states that it is being run by John Soward, but by 1868 it had become the Birmingham Concert Hall, run by John Judd & Co. It later became the Gaiety.
I think articles like this might put people off going to the beach.
31.7.1867
Fire at Bradford St factory of bellows manufacturer. J.C.Onions
Americans claim to own most of Leeds. Sounds a bit fishy to me.
Report (in 1867) recommends that where fires are caused by culpable carelessness then the person should be punished. Today the possibility of this still seems uncertain due to the whiles and machinations of politicians .
Fire at Bradford St factory of bellows manufacturer. J.C.Onions
Americans claim to own most of Leeds. Sounds a bit fishy to me.
Report (in 1867) recommends that where fires are caused by culpable carelessness then the person should be punished. Today the possibility of this still seems uncertain due to the whiles and machinations of politicians .
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
JH Hopkins would probably be the main man in JH Hopkins and Sons, Manufacturers of window blinds and cabinet brassfounders. They had been in Summer Row but later moved to Broard Street, and Granville Street. In 1865 he had laid the foundation for lecture rooms and a school in Cannon Street so he probably had a good collection of silver trowels.
He was Chairman on the Queens Hospital Board and was in favour of free unsectarian education managed by Local Boards. Also deeply in to the religious education of the Colonials.
Eric Gibson
master brummie
I don't think there's anything fishy about that Mikejee, it's the way things go with inheritance and with leaseholds.
It is still happening with new build properties which is why the government is talking at the moment of banning new property from being sold on leasehold contracts.
My first house was on a leasehold and the ground belonged to the National Coal Board pension fund, we had to pay ground rent to them, not much, I think about £7.50 a year but all the time the lease was running out, it stood at around forty years remaining when we were given the opportunity to buy the freehold (by McMillan's government) we paid £250 for it which was added to our existing mortgage.
Had the lease been allowed to run out ownership of our house would have passed to the NCB pension fund.
It is still happening with new build properties which is why the government is talking at the moment of banning new property from being sold on leasehold contracts.
My first house was on a leasehold and the ground belonged to the National Coal Board pension fund, we had to pay ground rent to them, not much, I think about £7.50 a year but all the time the lease was running out, it stood at around forty years remaining when we were given the opportunity to buy the freehold (by McMillan's government) we paid £250 for it which was added to our existing mortgage.
Had the lease been allowed to run out ownership of our house would have passed to the NCB pension fund.
Eric Gibson
master brummie
Ain't we all. 
1.8.1867
Nowadays pubs seem to regularly be sold off in order to make more money for the owners than id remaining a pub. In 1967 there are two examples of a pub being advertised for sale because of clay deposits below.
Not sure whether the Free Labour Registartion Society was for the benefit of the owrkers of the management, though I suspect the latter is more likely.
Precursor of city art gallery opened
New completed Sparkbrook church cannot be used till all bills for its construction are paid
Nowadays pubs seem to regularly be sold off in order to make more money for the owners than id remaining a pub. In 1967 there are two examples of a pub being advertised for sale because of clay deposits below.
Not sure whether the Free Labour Registartion Society was for the benefit of the owrkers of the management, though I suspect the latter is more likely.
Precursor of city art gallery opened
New completed Sparkbrook church cannot be used till all bills for its construction are paid
Eric Gibson
master brummie
I think that society was set up by workers and management together to stop the employees from being forced into joining trade unions and paying their subscriptions.
Judging by the 'closed shop' set up in certain industries (If you don't join the union you can't work here.) in the mid twentieth century it probably didn't work too well.
Judging by the 'closed shop' set up in certain industries (If you don't join the union you can't work here.) in the mid twentieth century it probably didn't work too well.
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
THE NATIONAL FREE LABOUR ASSOCIATION, GEOFFREY ALDERMAN...
“The idea of putting forward free-labour organisations as an alternative to trade unions dated at least from the 1860's. A Free Labour Registration Society existed in London between 1867 and 1869. It boasted of having enrolled 17,000 men and of having broken 26 strikes........One of the inherent weaknesses of these organisations was that they originated in the political beliefs and class sentiments of the Victorian upper classes. More particularly, their appearance coincided with the first signs of revolt by businesbmen, landlords, Whigs, Tories and individualist radicals against the march of democracy and all that that implied for the future of property and privilege in the country.”
https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/S0020859000005289
“The idea of putting forward free-labour organisations as an alternative to trade unions dated at least from the 1860's. A Free Labour Registration Society existed in London between 1867 and 1869. It boasted of having enrolled 17,000 men and of having broken 26 strikes........One of the inherent weaknesses of these organisations was that they originated in the political beliefs and class sentiments of the Victorian upper classes. More particularly, their appearance coincided with the first signs of revolt by businesbmen, landlords, Whigs, Tories and individualist radicals against the march of democracy and all that that implied for the future of property and privilege in the country.”
https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/S0020859000005289
Assume the Cattle Market referred to in #269 is the St Martin's Meat Market on Jamaica Row. It would be another 30 years before the new and improved meat market would be opened on Bradford Street. (See here for guide to the markets https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/for...-to-birmingham-wholesale-retail-markets.3073/).
So the market closure reported in the article must have been a short-term closure. Viv.
So the market closure reported in the article must have been a short-term closure. Viv.