Richard Dye
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These are great photos Viv!
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BrummieGeoff
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I've been doing something similar Viv.
I think this updated image shows the street numbering from an 1849 directory, and also where Bennett's Hill and Christchurch Passage were cut.
By that date the Panorama site had been taken over by the "Society of Arts & Government School of Design".
I wonder if the "scaffolding" shown on the left edge of the picture is from the construction of Christ Church ? .... according to Wikipedia, construction finished in 1816.
Happy to be corrected if I've misinterpreted.
I think this updated image shows the street numbering from an 1849 directory, and also where Bennett's Hill and Christchurch Passage were cut.
By that date the Panorama site had been taken over by the "Society of Arts & Government School of Design".
I wonder if the "scaffolding" shown on the left edge of the picture is from the construction of Christ Church ? .... according to Wikipedia, construction finished in 1816.
Happy to be corrected if I've misinterpreted.
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By 1829 Miss Gottwaltz was coming in for criticism regarding her efficiency. Looks like discrimination was at play to some extent.
In The Directory of Birmingham 1835, the Post Office is being listed as Bennetts Hill, obviously because of occupying the corner with New Street.
Source: British Newspaper Archive
In The Directory of Birmingham 1835, the Post Office is being listed as Bennetts Hill, obviously because of occupying the corner with New Street.
Source: British Newspaper Archive
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Further developing Geoff's labelling in post #542. Was this the site of #53 ? It's next to the mail coach gateway. #53 New Street was a house occupied by Mr C.Grafton (or Graston ?) in 1813. (This building was labelled as Dore Boot & Shoe Maker on the 1814 sketch in post #531 ).
A little tricky to be precise here as I'm unsure how much of the mail coach gateway (and possibly building(s)?) would have disappeared to make way for Bennetts Hill.
A little tricky to be precise here as I'm unsure how much of the mail coach gateway (and possibly building(s)?) would have disappeared to make way for Bennetts Hill.
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BrummieGeoff
Sparkhill Lad
It's very difficult to be sure Viv.
Wrightson's 1823 Triennial Directory of Birmingham shows Samuel Dore - Boot & Shoe Maker - at #54 New Street .... so #53 may be the building annotated as "Sheldon Metal Warehouse" in the 1814 sketch.
However, the street numbering appears to have changed by the 1839 edition of that directory when the Post Office is at #54.
I'm also conscious that the notes on the bottom of the 1814 sketch could have been added at a later date, so might not accurately reflect all the occupants in 1814.
So far, I haven't been able to identify the appropriate Judd and Sheldon occupants, but ....
Wrightson's 1818 Triennial Directory of Birmingham lists Samuel Dore - Boot & Shoe Maker; John Newbold - Plumber & Glazier; J H Parker - Panorama; Miss Gottwaltz - Postmistress.
Wrightson's 1823 Triennial Directory of Birmingham also lists John Newbold - Plumber, Glazier & Painter - at #46 New Street.
And James Campbell - Manufacturer and Dealer in Derbyshire Spars - is listed in the 1830 Directory in Temple Street.
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Re the Judd family (William the father and his two sons William and Richard). They were carriers and wharfingers with their own boats and waggons. The New Street address was presumably part of the much wider business. When it was sold in March 1814, the Wagon Warehouse was sold along with a dwelling house (probably adjoining on New Street as no other address was mentioned).
By 1814 they'd been declared bankrupt, but in their time they seem to have had quite a large operation beyond Birmingham. Sounds like they had their own wharf in Birmingham too.
Some news cuttings, may be of interest. Source: British Newspaper Archive
By 1814 they'd been declared bankrupt, but in their time they seem to have had quite a large operation beyond Birmingham. Sounds like they had their own wharf in Birmingham too.
Some news cuttings, may be of interest. Source: British Newspaper Archive
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Just for info, and a building that was probably in the 1814 view, is #58. Below is a to let notice from 1814 of "a convenient house and shop". So perhaps a domestic building with a shop front onto New Street ?
Source: British Newspaper Archive
Source: British Newspaper Archive