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Missing Family members - Wheeler / Baker

I am trying to determine if Lily went into a workhouse or hospital following the death of her daughter Eva Gertrude in 1911. How do I find admission records?
Astoness said:
i have charles longford wheeler born 1875 on the 39 register living with a lily wheeler date of birth 20th may 1877 so this fits the date of birth for lily given on post 1..it says they are both single..so is charles lilys brother or is the single bit an error..? also i have a marriage in 1898 for a charles longford wheeler to a lilly sprigg (not baker) and on the 1921 census they are down as married... bit confusing needs more research i think

lyn
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Yes, it would seem that these are the wrong couple. Thank you for pointing that out before I ordered the wrong DC.
 
pjmburns said:
READ POST 91 FIRST BEFORE ORDERING

It depends how you search .
pjmburns

Post in thread 'Warstone Cemetery look up - Phoebe and Matilda Hall'

Log into GRO.
On rhs click on "search GRO online index

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click on "death" and select the year.
enter details
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Then hit "search". You will get 4 results. Click oin circle by the "windsor" entry
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Select "digital image" and then follow instructions to pay.
After paying you will get a screen allowing you to view and download the information.

Hope that makes sense

Not sure why it doesn't come up when you do a search but there are gaps in GRO links.
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Try reading this but obviously enter Lily Wheeler using 1952 as search year.
You should be able to order a digital image.
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Thank you so much Janice, I didn't know that I could do that, much appreciated.
 
A lot of hospital records are not online - probably because of the sensitive nature of such records.
All Saints records have just appeared on Ancestry.
For othe records you could look at Birmingham Archives at the library.
 
Excuse me if I've missed this, but think there may have been a further child to George & Lily. ANCESTRY shows a baby boy, named George Wheeler sadly died aged less than 1 year in Dec 1911, & gro site search shows a baby boy George born to mmn Baker in Bham 1911 & subsequently a death to a baby boy with same mmn. Also 1911.
 
Maz 60 said:
Excuse me if I've missed this, but think there may have been a further child to George & Lily. ANCESTRY shows a baby boy, named George Wheeler sadly died aged less than 1 year in Dec 1911, & gro site search shows a baby boy George born to mmn Baker in Bham 1911 & subsequently a death to a baby boy with same mmn. Also 1911.
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hi maz...you could well be right...post 1 says eva gertrude died aged 2 in 1911 so if the george you have found is correct this means that lilly sadly lost 2 children in 1911 and that lily and george had 6 children not 5 as stated..thanks for pointing this out i am sure we will look into this..

lyn
 
I can confirm that you are correct Maz - I've downloaded the two certificates :-

It would appear that George only survived for two days and was born and died in the workhouse in Western Lane. Lily and George must have been completely distraught, especially coming so soon after the death of Eva..
 

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Eva Gertrude died at home :-
 

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how sad... so lily was pregnant with george when daughter eva died and she was present at her death then 2 months later george dies...one can only imagine the heartache..if that happened today there would be plenty of help given to try and cope but back then it was just none existant

lyn
 
Astoness said:
how sad... so lily was pregnant with george when daughter eva died and she was present at her death then 2 months later george dies...one can only imagine the heartache..if that happened today there would be plenty of help given to try and cope but back then it was just none existant

lyn
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I agree, I suspect that the 'disappearance' was probably fictional and that she probably stayed in the workhouse for some time. That would also explain why the other children had to go into St. Josephs.
 
Bbithell said:
I agree, I suspect that the 'disappearance' was probably fictional and that she probably stayed in the workhouse for some time. That would also explain why the other children had to go into St. Josephs.
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yes lily was probably not in good physical or mental condition to look after the other children and family most likely did not have to room to take them..dad had to work so no choice but to ask st josephs to look after them

lyn
 
I've just been reading up about the attitudes to mental health in 1911 and it's not good. Postnatal depression wasn't recognised yet and society (male) wouldn't have understood what she must have been going through, bless her. It's so very sad for all concerned. Thank you for your help in this everyone. I'll be travelling to Birmingham Library in the New Year to try and track down what happened to Lily, I'll keep you informed if I find anything.
 
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