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Midland Red Early Days

Sir Goldsworthy Gurney 1793-1875.

2010-07-02 14:38:38
[Since we've had some fun at Mr Gurney's expense, I'll balance the ledger by posting a brief biopic of the steam carriage pioneer. :)]


Cornishman Goldsworthy Gurney (14 February 1793 – 28 February 1875; later Sir Goldsworthy), who like Birmingham's steam pioneer William Church was a medical man by training, began to experiment with steam traction in 1823. On 14 May 1825 he was granted patent 5170 "apparatus for propelling carriages on common roads or railways", and on 11 October 1827 patent 5554 "locomotive engines and the apparatus connected therewith". In 1826 he established the Gurney Steam Carriage Co, with a manufacturing works at 154 Albany Street, Regents Park, London. In July 1829 one of his carriages is said to have averaged about 12 mph on a 400 mile London – Bath – London journey (depicted above).

Charles Dance (dates unknown; later Sir Charles) purchased several Gurney carriages and operated them successfully from London to Holyhead and from Birmingham to Bristol. On 21 February 1831 Dance began to operate three Gurney four-wheel steam carriages (each hauling a coach) on a regular Gloucester – Cheltenham service (not far from the Midlands!). The service operated four times a day, and the nine mile journey took about 50 minutes. "Such was the frequency of derangements, especially the bursting of one or more of the tubes of the tubular boiler, that it required the utmost exertions of an engineer (Mr James Stone) at a salary of £1 per day, and four men at £3 per week to keep one of the coaches in moving order." [Macerone, 1834]. On 22 June 1831 the Gloucester – Cheltenham service ran into serious trouble when a foot-deep layer of gravel was scattered on the roadway (allegedly at the instigation of "the worthy squires and magistrates of the Cheltenham district" [Macerone, 1834]), resulting in a broken back axle. After carrying some 3,000 passengers a total distance of about 3,500 miles without accident, the pioneering service came to an end.

Gurney was a great self-publicist, and gave evidence on the benefits of steam-powered road transport at Parliamentary committees in the years 1831-1836. Though the committees reported favourably, enabling legislation was not enacted and Gurney gave up his steam carriage work. He continued as an inventor and innovator. He invented the Gurney stove, was responsible for lighting and ventilating the Houses of Parliament, and was an active scientific researcher. He became a magistrate for Cornwall and Devon, and in 1863 was knighted for his discoveries and inventions.

[Sources:
The Wikipedia articles linked to in the text.
Francis Macerone (sometimes written Maceroni). A Few Facts Concerning Elementary Locomotion. Second Edition. London: Effingham Wilson, 1834.
Walter Hancock. Narrative of Twelve Years Experiments. London: Weale and Mann, 1838.
Lyman Horace Weeks. Automobile Biographies. New York: Monograph, 1904.]
 
Thylacine, many thanks for the info on Sir Goldsworthy Gurney and Charles Dance. This provides a nice link between steam coaches and this thread. The Birmingham to Bristol route operated by Mr Dance with his Gurney steam coaches would be covered some 150 years later by Midland Red on behalf of Associated Motorways of which Midland Red was a partner, often with 'yours truly' at the wheel. According to ITV's Central News coverage, Cheltenham is in the West Midlands area (although Cheltonians consider themselves part of the West Country). Indeed, Midland Red ran a Limited Stop X74 service from Birmingham to Cheltenham and later an Evesham to Cheltenham service inherited upon absorbtion of their subsidery Stratford Blue. The licence for this service, jointly operated with the Bristol Tramways & Carriage Co. Ltd. came from the voluntary sell out to Stratford Blue by Reliance Motors of Bidford-on-Avon.
Of interest too is this 1829 artist's picture of a Gurney steamer hauled coach carrying no less than the Duke of Wellington who is standing to talk to a gentleman on the front seat (possibly Gurney himself ??). Note the poor soul running along at the back - an extra brakesman maybe!
 
I wonder how many were injured riding and operating these contraptions...not to mention lung damage from inhaling the smoke from stacks.
 
2010-07-03 06:59:46

Mike, thanks for that connection to Midland Red (which eases my conscience!), and the picture of the Gurney "steam drag" in action hauling an eminent passenger. ("Sit down and fasten your seat-belt please, your grace!" ;)).

The story of Midland Red's Evesham – Cheltenham service is quite complicated [corrections, additions and comments are welcome]. In about 1928 Stratford Blue (or Stratford-upon-Avon Motor Services as it then was) purchased the business of Mr F Martin (High Street, Cheltenham), with Cheltenham – Evesham and Cheltenham – Malvern services and a fleet of about eight buses of Thornycroft, Ford, Graham-Dodge, Chevrolet and other makes. (There is some doubt as to the year of this transaction: Peter Hardy dates the purchase to 1928, but the acquisition of the vehicles to 1930.) Some of the buses joined the Stratford fleet, whereas others were sold to O C George (Pershore) for breaking up in 1931. It is remarkable that one of the F Martin fleet was a Chevrolet LM with Allen B14F body, which had originally been Stratford fleet number 6 (registered UE4933). On 4 May 1931 Stratford Motor Services shook off the control of Leamington and Warwick Electrical Co Ltd and became Stratford-upon-Avon Blue Motors Ltd (still part of the Balfour Beatty group). On 22 May 1931 Stratford Blue reached an agreement with Bristol Tramways and Carriage Co Ltd (BTC) under which the Cheltenham – Malvern service was handed over to BTC in exchange for a larger share of the Cheltenham – Evesham route. On 6 June 1932 Midland Red purchased (for £1,000) the bus business of Crompton and Longford (Bidford-on-Avon) trading as "Reliance Bus Co", in a complex deal involving Stratford Blue. Reliance had operated several services centred on Evesham (including one to Cheltenham), and of these the Evesham – Bidford – Welford – Stratford service passed to Stratford Blue, which also acquired the four (possibly five) Reliance vehicles. Of these, two Star VB4s entered the Stratford Blue fleet: UE6467 (B20F) and UE7973 (C23F), both with bodies by Willowbrook. Two Guy ONDs (UE9319 and UE9816, with Guy B20F bodies) were sold on immediately to Cheltenham and District Traction Co Ltd (as their fleet numbers 1 and 2). The Cheltenham company acquired another Guy at this time (fleet number 3, details unknown), which may also have come from Reliance. On 10 September 1932 Midland Red withdrew (in favour of Stratford Blue) from its Evesham – Cheltenham service in exchange for receipt pooling with Stratford Blue on the Stratford – Leamington and Stratford – Shipston services. On 30 June 1935 Midland Red purchased (for £15,000) Stratford Blue, which however continued a long and lively independent existence (as a Midland Red subsidiary) until 1 January 1971. On that date, in line with the corporate strategy of the ruling National Bus Co, Stratford Blue and all its services (including Cheltenham – Evesham), vehicles, garages and staff were fully absorbed by Midland Red, and the distinctive Stratford Blue livery soon disappeared. (It was revived in later years by re-incarnations of Stratford Blue, but that's another story!)

[The weather in Tasmania is a bit warmer today, so the Thylacine has unzipped his anorak: hence the absence of chassis numbers in the foregoing paragraph! ;)]
 
Hi Rupert, and welcome to the thread! As Mike said, the boilers on these early steam vehicles did have a tendency to blow up, causing much mayhem and many injuries (the same was true of early railway locomotives). This was of course one of the arguments used by opponents of the new technology. Many of the pioneers paid close attention to this problem, Walter Hancock for example patenting a new kind of boiler which would split rather than explode when the pressure got too high.
 
Ah, Thylacine, thank you for refreshing my memory of a conversation I had with an ex Reliance driver back in 1976. As you say it was not the Evesham to Cheltenham service that passed from Reliance to Stratford Blue, but the Evesham to Stratford service. The Reliance owners had been approached by Midland Red several times sell out but aparently relations between the two companys were strained to say the least. Thus, according to the ex Reliance driver, Crompton and Longford made the decision to pull out of bus operation altogether so offered and sold that side of their business to the Stratford Blue as they were "determined the Midland Red would not get their hands on it or the service past their door" Learning off you that Midland Red paid £1000 for Evesham based services off Reliance this would account for the Evesham - Stratford service not being included in that deal and going to the Stratford Blue. The Reliance Garage still trades today as car repairers and dealers.
It was always said that after the Midland Red buyout of Stratford Blue that Bristol Tramways were always successfully objected to by Midland Red from gaining a licence to run through buses from Cheltenham to Stratford. Have you any info on this please?
Mike
 
Mike, Reliance did well to hold out for £1,000 from Midland Red, who were quite agressive in the 1930s. So it seems that for their money Midland Red received four ex-Reliance services (to Fladbury, Pershore, Cropthorne and Tewkesbury). And Stratford Blue purchased (probably at "mates rates") the vehicles and the Stratford service. It's interesting that Reliance survived as a motor dealer and service station. This happened quite frequently when the "big boys" took the bus services.

Sorry I have no information about MR objecting to BT's Chetlenham - Stratford licence application, but I'm sure that Midland Red was very active in the Traffic Commissioners "court" at this time. Does anyone have any specific information?
 
A search of the London Gazette reveals that the partnership between George Crompton and Albert Smith trading as Reliance Garage and Electrical Co (Bidford) was dissolved "by mutual consent" on 25 June 1936 (gazetted 11 August). The business must have continued (or was later revived), because Reliance Garage (Bidford) Ltd was struck off the company register on 29 October 1974, only to be restored on 27 January 2009 (gazetted 3 February).

I can't remember where I found that figure of £1,000 (paid by Midland Red for Reliance services in 1932). Can anyone verify it?
 
Never mind about the boilers; the completely inadequate stearing mechanisms for such heavy machines, not to mention brakes...maybe suitable for a penny farthing...would not get you to the end of the street. Let alone from London to Bath. Which leads one to think that drawings such as these were probably taken from, were used possibly for patent application by dreamers only. Mr. Ackerman was not around then. and there is no evidence on any drawing of drive mechanisms or cylinders that I can see.

There must have been coal piles and water towers at fairly frequent intervals since storage for such essentials would be in short supply on board. Maybe first class was by horse drawn carriage; which was probably the express conveyance compared to these.

I wonder how steam trams managed for fuel and water replenishment around the city and how far they could travel before the need for re-fueling arose.

And yet steam was perseveared with for road transport resulting in quite acceptable ordinary looking vehicles into the mid 20th century almost. I think that the purveyors must have had a blind spot for the advantages and relative efficiency of the ICE though. Only the steam tram was a success and that only for a relatively short time. I suppose that this was a small urban locomotive though.
 
Rupert, you make some good points and raise some challenging questions. I'm working on a more elaborate history of the Birmingham steam carriage experiments of the early 1830s, and will be posting it on a new thread to be called "Birmingham Steam Carriages 1830s" (or something similar). I will attempt to cover all these issues there. It is certainly true that many of the contemporary accounts and illustrations were in the nature of advertising, and included a large amount of wishful thinking. Nevertheless, the experiments were useful and to some extent successful. Walter Hancock at least operated steam-powered public transport services for several years. It was the opposition of local authorities and draconian legislation that put a stop to developments, rather than technological limitations or issues of public safety.

On the subject of the refueling and re-watering of steam trams, perhaps one of our Birmingham tram enthusiasts can enlighten us as to the arrangements. Steam trams ran in Birmingham for many years, so some system must have been organised. I would be interested to know more.

Before we leave the subject, here is a link to an interesting article on Goldsworthy Gurney and his steam drag, one of which appears to have survived and is at the Glasgow Museum of Transport. And below is a nice contemporary print of Sir Charles Dance's steam drag leaving London for Brighton in 1833. This is from:

Charles George Harper (1863-1943). The Brighton Road. Third and Revised Edition. London: Cecil Palmer, 1922.
 
Here's an odd but interesting piece of Midland Red memorabilia. It's a bronze wheel chock (or scotch?). A member of the MidlandRed.net forum had two he was offering for sale (£50 each). It looks like Roger Burdett has bought them for his preserved C5.
 
And here (this steam stuff is addictive! :grin2:) is an account (with pictures and diagrams) of Tom Brogden's astounding replica of Walter Hancock's 1832 steam bus "Enterprise" (the starship of its day). Which just goes to prove that they weren't all "hot air" :grinsmile:. This wonderful vehicle has an MoT licence (registration Q231RMA) and can be seen in action on the streets of London via the link posted by Lloyd above (post #730).

It is interesting that the bodywork is very similar to that of George Shillibeer's first London horse bus of 1829, with which Hancock used to compete on the London - Paddington route. "Enterprise" also featured what must be the earliest steering wheel, and a primitive form of "cruise control" (see end of article).
 
I did once spend a day driving Tom Brogden's other historic replica, the Trevethick London Steam Coach. I can only describe it as like riding a mechanical elephant, as being driven on one of its main wheels only, so that one started first, causing a lurch to one side - then the other started to follow, so it lurched the other way. Control was minimal - there is a tiller for steering, and the engine has to be in one position only to start as in other positions it may run backwards, with dire consequences. I was instructed by Tom to "Be assertive with the control, make sure your path is clear then open the regulator lever full and let it start off - then slow down if necessary. After a couple of trips round the site (the Black Country Museum, Dudley) I got accustomed to it, and drove quite a few circuits of the lower end of the site (no hills) giving rides to the public. Not easy, but great fun!
The roads there are tarmaced, (trolleybuses and other historic vehicles use them), and at the end of the day having driven about five or six miles I was quite exhausted, so admire the original drivers of such vehicles on the rough unmetalled roads they had to cope with in those pioneering days of mechanical transport.

Here it is at Bristol on another occasion.
[video=youtube;Dx_5hE4aGBQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx_5hE4aGBQ[/video]
 
Envious Lloyd. Have been promising myself a day at the Black Country Museum for years now (last time I went I was too youg to appreciate it) and really must do so this year.

I have found with driving that one can get used to almost anything - I can only cite from personal experience of riding bikes with bent handlebars to forks, mopeds with molegrips for gear levers, British bikes with their gearing on "the wrong side", regulated utility vehicles on dual carriage-ways and even a vague memory of the early Minis without synchromesh (and several Morris's, Talbots etc that pretended for all the world that they didn't).

One has to take one's Top Hat off to the lot of them though from the owner/inventor, steersman, engineer and stokerboy - surely the hardest job. I agree with Rupert though the logistics need a lot more understanding I think
 
Another replica is this 1875 Genville, being driven fearlessly through Bridgnorth and dealing with the steep hills and modern traffic quite capably.

[video=youtube;7C9l7fE2BgM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C9l7fE2BgM[/video]
 
Nice Lloyd, Thanks. Several things of interest. Crouching stoker-maid (about halfway through) maybe why the stoker isn't shown on the early pictures. I don't think health and Safety were around in C19th to force use of ear-defenders either. Use of chocks for brakes is very authentic and hint of man at front with red flag shows what is to come. Overall though seems a very graceful ride on the flat tarmacadam roads - I am sure the originals would have ploughed their own Hollow Way.
 
Well I have to say that the artwork does not do justice to the actuality of these operating machines and yes they seemed to work well considering. The one with the stearing wheel around a pole reminded me of a trolley that we made when we were kids that also had a rope under the board wrapped around a spool with connections to the pivoting front axle. Of course someone had to push. I see that this bus had a steady at the top of the pole that was attached to the roof. I guess that when one puts ideas of todays speeds and capabilities out of the reconing, then things fall into place in a world that had more time for everything.
 
Lloyd, thanks for those two fascinating and apt movies.

The 1803 "London Steam Carriage" of Richard Trevithick (1771-1833) takes us back to the very earliest days of steam locomotion. Only his 1801 "Puffing Billy" (which came to grief) pre-dates it. Your account of driving Tom Brogden's modern replica is very instructive (and entertaining), Lloyd. We certainly owe Tom Brogden a debt of gratitude for bringing back to life these icons of technological and public transport history. There's (at least) one thing that puzzled me about the "London": how do passengers get in and out? Not a vehicle for those with a fear of heights! :shocked:

The 1875 "Grenville Steam Carriage" was built by Robert Neville-Grenville (16 December 1846 to 13 September 1936) of "Butleigh Court", Glastonbury, Somerset (Motorman-Mike, please note!). A brief biography of Grenville (with no mention of his steam carriage) is available at thePeerage.com (a very useful site for tracking down those belonging to the "other half" of society, not just "lords and ladies"). The vehicle we see in the movie is a restored and preserved survivor, not a replica. Apparently it's home is the Bristol Industrial Museum (which closed in 2006 and plans to re-open in 2011 as part of the new Museum of Bristol). [Update: since 2009 it lives at the National Motor Museum (Beaulieu) - I should read the webpages I link to! :headhit:] This vehicle dates from the years of the "Red Flag Act" (see post #324), as is faithfully reproduced in a section of the movie. The "unguided tour" (I still haven't bought that speaker) of Bridgnorth was excellent: the "firemaid" (or perhaps "firema'am") providing extra interest! :010:. The India Automotive website has a page about the "Grenville", which is appropriate since the 1852 steam carriage built by the Birmingham-based Tangye brothers (see post #323) was exported to India after falling foul of the draconian British "Locomotive Acts". The contemporary picture of the "Grenville" below was half-inched from the India Automotive site.

Smoke was clearly an issue with these early steam vehicles (and the modern "carbon police" would certainly be busy with their calculators!), but it was more of a problem for following vehicles than for passengers. And no other vehicles could really have kept pace with them. Then again, think of the quantity of particulate matter and greenhouse gases emitted in the century and a half of steam (railway) locomotives.
 
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... I am sure the originals would have ploughed their own Hollow Way.

Aidan, Charles Dance's Gloucester - Cheltenham service was effectively sabotaged by the local authorities (aided and abetted by the horse bus lobby) laying down 18 inches of gravel on the road, which broke the rear axle. Gurney claimed it was the exorbitant turnpike tolls that killed the service, but mechanical problems (and a shortage of paying passengers) played an important part in the downfall. It was claimed (by the steam lobby) that steam carriages were easier on the roads than horse-drawn vehicles (but they would say that, wouldn't they? ;)). The campaign for improved methods of locomotion was allied to the push for improved roads. The venerable "Colossus of Roads" Thomas Telford (1757-1834) was involved on the steam side of the debate, and lent his support to the early experiments as technical consultant, expert witness and company director.
 
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Well I have to say that the artwork does not do justice to the actuality of these operating machines and yes they seemed to work well considering. The one with the stearing wheel around a pole reminded me of a trolley that we made when we were kids that also had a rope under the board wrapped around a spool with connections to the pivoting front axle. Of course someone had to push. I see that this bus had a steady at the top of the pole that was attached to the roof. I guess that when one puts ideas of todays speeds and capabilities out of the reconing, then things fall into place in a world that had more time for everything.

Rupert, thanks for your continuing contribution to this thread. I hope you are not becoming too much of a "convert", as we need a sceptic's cool appraisal to balance our (occasionally over-the-top) enthusiasm. I am rather fond of the nineteenth century: a time of great enthusiasm for (and fear of) technological advances, and yet still "a world that had more time for everything"! :cool:
 
One of the great things (for me) about the BHF stems from our "longitudinal diversity". While I'm asleep, the UK members are hard at work, so I get up to a string of new posts (on a good day). Then while Birmingham sleeps, I have the forum pretty much to myself (except for other expats like Pomgolian, Rupert, etc). And there's a nice period of overlap when we can have a genuine conversation. As my children would say, it's cool! :cool:

I'm going to stop fretting about the "purity" of the MRED thread. If I were to start a "steam carriages" thread, we would just have to move large slabs of this thread over (or get the admin team to do it). The MRED index provides a means of navigating this by now huge thread, so let's accept that we are the "anarchist wing" of the BHF and stop worrying.

[But if someone starts to post about the Egyptian pyramids, I might have to don my policeman's helmet: "Hello hello hello, what all this then? You can't park that post here! ;)"]
 
... Have been promising myself a day at the Black Country Museum for years now (last time I went I was too youg to appreciate it) and really must do so this year ...

Aidan, if I may be permitted to advertise another thread of mine :rolleyes:, the Black Country Living Museum is well worth a visit, not only for their public transport attractions. Their re-creations of Midlands industrial and social history are most valuable. The Cradley Heath Worker's Institute of 1912 has been relocated (brick by brick) to the museum, and will figure largely in the upcoming (September) centenary celebrations of the Cradley Heath women chainmakers' strike of 1910. The story can be perused on the Cradley Heath Chainmakers Strike: 100th Anniversary thread.
 
There's (at least) one thing that puzzled me about the "London": how do passengers get in and out? Not a vehicle for those with a fear of heights!

Indeed not! The driver's seat ia actually part of a (steep) staircase from the carriage door at the front of the body (seating being along the sides), to the 'footplate' and there is an iron footstep halfway from there to the road. Riding in the thing is more scary than driving it: the feeling of it's 'top heaviness' is quite acute up there!
There is also a small platform at the rear for a 'boilerman' to ride on: he being in charge of adding coal as necessary and watching the boiler water level. The vehicle uses steam at a slightly higher rate than it makes it, with 'economic' driving (i.e. coasting when you can) it will do about a mile before running out of puff and having to wait for pressure to rise again. The loud 'clacking' you (or those of you with speakers:rolleyes:) can hear is the valve gear being pushed open and shut - it is part of this that would break if the engine ran backwards.
 
Thanks for the explanation Lloyd. Not a ride for the fainthearted, but we're looking at the "prototype of prototypes" here.

[I wonder what a female "boilerman" would be called? :010:]
 
"Boilerette"? Hmm! 'Nuff said! :rolleyes:

Richard Dudgeon (1819-1895), a Scot who emigrated to the US when he was young, built a couple of "steam wagons" in the 1850s and 1860s. His 1866 "Mark 2" is pictured below (it survives in the Smithsonian Museum in Washington, DC). In those days, the size of your hat indicated the importance of your job (or your self-importance perhaps ;)).
 
Now that you mention pyramids Thylacine - no, only joking but as you happen to mention a Scot, how about this Thompson steamer on trial between Edinburgh and Leith in 1870! A monster to equal that of Loch Ness tha noo. Plenty for Rupert to get his teeth in to on this one, strange steering, a single axle double deck trailer that must have given an interesting ride quality, but at least it has a recogniseable vertical boiler.

Meanwhile back at the Midland Red Early Days thread, my next posting will feature a Midland Red coach sort of ;)
 
Re Mike's picture above, I found the following caption to an identical one:

"Thomson's 'New Favourite' Road Steamer at Edinburgh
Anonymous wood engraving published in The Graphic, 11th June 1870
Steam was well established for railways and passenger boats but attempts to pull carriages on roads proved much less successful. R. William Thomson (1822-1873) was born at Stonehaven and became a civil engineer. The print shows Thomson's three-wheeled steam tractor pulling a two-wheeled omnibus. The accompanying text explains that previous experiments had failed because of the difficulty of producing adequate traction without destroying the road surface. 'The great peculiarity of this road-steamer is that the wheels are bound round to the depth of fives inches with India-rubber tire. This covering ... possesses innumerable advantages, being at the same time perfectly noiseless and exceedingly durable'."

Thomson's invention of rubber pneumatic tyres pre-dates John Boyd Dunlop's later work, and is remembered in this [tyre] fitting memorial.

Also, from https://www.visionsofscotland.co.uk/EdinHistory.htm
"1828 Steam Coach: A steam coach was constructed by James and George Naysmith, sons of the artist. It ran between Leith and Queensferry at between 4 and 7 miles per hour."


 
Thanks Mike for that fine picture of "New Favorite" (what a beast!), and Lloyd for the explanatory notes. It is remarkable that it was given the name "Favorite" (spelled in the French manner). "Les Favorites" was (were?) one of the earliest horse bus companies in Paris, being established by the end of 1829. The company continued until 1 March 1853, when it was absorbed by the new (and monopolistic) Compagnie Générale des Omnibus de Paris. Meanwhile in London, John and Elizabeth Wilson of Holloway established a horse bus company fleetnamed "Favorite" (French spelling) by 1837 (absorbing the earlier "Caledonians"). In the early days they were plagued by "pirate" opposition, including one who used the fleetname "Favor Me". The Wilsons "Favorite" company continued until 1856, when it was absorbed by the new Compagnie Générale des Omnibus de Londres (established 4 December 1855 and soon renamed to the London General Omnibus Co Ltd). The fleetname "Favorite" lived on: as late as 1901 there were 56 large red three-horse 48-seaters travelling from Highgate and Islington to the City. So "Favorite" was a favourite name! ;)
 
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