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Meat and Potato Pie

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Meat and Potato Pie

This great traditional dish eaten throughout northern England, Scotland and Ireland

Ingredients (for 4 people)

8 ounces casserole steak
1 large carrot, washed and chopped
1 medium onion, chopped
3 medium sized potatoes, peeled and diced
half to three quarters of a pint of beef stock
salt and pepper to taste.

For the pie crust:
6 ounces plain flour
3 ounces Lard or Margarine
pinch of salt

rub the flour, fat and salt together until it resembles breadcrumbs. Add water little by little and knead until the mixture forms into a smooth dough (be very careful with the water, really tiny amounts at a time.

Bakers trick. Rest for an hour - not you, the dough.

Put at the ingredients (picture 1) into a casserole dish with the stock and seasoning. Cover and put in an oven pre heated to 180 degrees Celsius (350 Fahrenheit) for about 1 hour 30 minutes or until meat and vegetables are tender. Check occasionally and add a little more stock in the mixture looks dry (picture 2).

When the filling is ready dust the dough with flour and roll out with a dusted rolling pin (or an empty wine bottle or something like that - or flatten it with the heel of your hand like a pizza cook) Put the crust on the filling (picture 3) and return the pie to the oven until the crust is light brown.

Serve with pickled cabbage. Use pickled red cabbage as that adds a nice touch of colour. Picture 4 shows a typical serving of the finished thing - without read cabbage because we forgot to get some.

If you are feeding a lot of people and need to use a deep dish, just bake extra pastry on a baking tray so that everyone gets a good sized portion of crust.

This can be served without the crust, in that case it becomes the famous Liverpool dish lobscouse, staple diet of the mariners who sailed the Atlantic in the nineteenth century. In those days ships biscuits were put in to make it go further. I once asked a Liverpool landlady why it was called lobscouse. She told me, "well yer meat an' taties an' onions, they're yer basic scouse, then yer jus' lob in anythin' else yer've got.
A great way of getting the kids to eat vegetables is to lob in a stick of celery, a handful of beans or chickpeas, anything like that and them blitz the veg beyond recognition in the blender.
 
Rupert I didn't make the Italian Chicken - but Stuart my husband did -one day last week -

The potatoes he cooked seperately and added mushrooms instead -
It was excellent - Thank you
 
Stocking up on often used pantry items when they are on sale is the perfect way to not only save money on item you know will not go to waste but also to ensure that you will have enough ingredients on hand at all times to throw a meal together in a matter of minutes. Here is a list of my top ten pantry items that will help you add that all-day cooked flavor to quick cooking meals.

1. Pasta: Pasta is so versatile that you could make dinner with it every night for a month and never have the same meal twice. Dried pasta is the perfect pantry staple to stock up on every time it goes on sale at your grocery store. Keep different size and shaped noodles on hand to make meals more interesting. Dried pasta can be added to soups, stews or casseroles, it can be used as a bed for your favorite stir-fry, to add some bulk to your meal or it can be the star of the show - a quick go-to meal by simply adding your favorite jarred sauce.

A couple of things to keep in mind when cooking with dried pasta are: Always put your pot of pasta water on the stove before you do anything else to begin preparing your meal. You don't want to have the rest of your meal prepared and getting cold while you are still waiting for the pasta water to boil so give it a head start. Also, if you are serving pasta as the star of the show, topped with your favorite sauce, you should always use a noodle with lines or ridges in it because it will give the sauce a place to go and do not rinse the noodles when you drain them because it will help the sauce stick.

2. Spaghetti Sauce: Of course you can use a jar of spaghetti sauce to pour over spaghetti for a quick meal any night of the week, but think outside the box a little when it comes to this pantry staple. You would be surprised how many different ways spaghetti sauce can be used. The great thing about spaghetti sauce is that all of the cooking has been done and that all-day flavor is already sealed in. There are so many varieties on the store shelves that you can get a sauce with whatever flavor combination you prefer, or you can get a simple marinara sauce and spice it up your own way by adding fresh herbs and vegetables to suit your pallette and your menu.

3. Prepared Broths: Boxes or cans of prepared beef, chicken and vegetable broth are a must have pantry staple. When it comes to quick cooking you should not pass up any opportunity to add flavor. You can do this by substituting broth in place of water to add extra flavor to any recipe. You can even cook your rice in broth instead of water. If you cook often the larger boxes of broth can be stored in the refrigerator after opening so you can use as much or as little as you need and they can sometimes be a better bargain than the cans. If you do wind up with leftover broth in an opened container and are afraid that you will not be able to use it quickly, pour it into ice cube trays and freeze it. You can pop out as many cubes as you need and melt them right into your recipe. You can even get fancy by adding some dried herbs to your broth cubes before freezing for extra flavor.

4. Quick Cooking Rice: Rice is a great way to add bulk to a meal. Serving a stir fry of meat and vegetables over rice makes a delicious and satisfying meal. Rice is also a great way to add some whole grains to your diet by using brown rice or wild rice instead of white rice. Experiment with different flavors and find one that your family enjoys. Rice also makes a great side dish either by itself, with vegetables mixed in or simply topped with your favorite spaghetti sauce.

5. Condensed Soups: Condensed soups are a fabulous way to add both moisture and flavor to quick cooking meals. You will find recipe ideas right on the soup can labels and there have been entire cookbooks written around the theme of cooking with condensed soups. Cream of mushroom, cream of chicken, cream of celery and condensed cheese soup are probably the most popular. Take a close look at the soup selection the next time you are in the grocery store. Read the recipes on the labels and stock up on any that you can incorporate into your weekly menu planning. If nothing else, you can make soup for lunch or dinner on a cold rainy day. Don't forget the chicken noodle in case somebody doesn't feel well.

6. Dried Herbs and Spices: Having a stock of herbs and spices on hand will really help "spice" up your quick meals. Kosher salt, whole black peppercorns (to grind in a pepper grinder), parsley, basil, oregano, rosemary, thyme, cumin, chili powder, mustard powder and paprika would be a great starting point. Unless you cook a lot, buy these items in the smallest quantity possible. Dried herbs and spices can lose their flavor and it is recommended that you should replace them after 6 months. You will wind up wasting money if you buy the jumbo size container of paprika, only use it once or twice and wind up throwing it away.

7. Liquid Condiments: Worcestershire, soy sauce, hot pepper sauce, and an assortment of vinegars are some liquid condiments that can pack a punch when it comes to adding flavor to your quick fix meals.

8. Canned Tomatoes: Having a variety of canned tomato products in your pantry is a great way to add all-day cooked flavor to your meals. You can add variety by mixing up the size of the tomatoes, from whole to finely diced. You can even purchase the cans with herbs and spices already added.

9. Canned Beans: Beans are a great source of fiber and an excellent way to add bulk to your meals, but cooking with dried beans can take a very long time because you typically have to soak them overnight and then cook them for hours until they soften. Canned beans give you the same benefits in a fraction of the time and if you stock up when they are bargain-priced they can be beneficial to your wallet as well.

10. Extra Virgin Olive Oil: Extra virgin olive oil is an absolute cooking staple. Even though oil is a fat, extra virgin olive oil is considered a healthy fat because it contains antioxidants like Vitamin E, it can lower you bad cholesterol while raising your good cholesterol and studies have shown that extra virgin olive oil can actually help prevent heart disease and certain types of cancer. You should keep in mind, though, that even with all of these health benefits, extra virgin olive oil is still a fat and it should be consumed in moderation. Two tablespoons per day should be your limit. There are many varieties of extra virgin olive oil on the market and some can be very expensive. Do a little taste testing to find a moderately priced brand that suits your pallette and watch for it to go on sale.
 
Yes Beryl, some would prefer to do the potatoes seperately. In with the chicken they come out a bit mushy and would not be to everyones acceptance. However they do taste great that way since the main source of the mushiness is....wine. (In ref. to Italian Chicken)

You seem, like me, to buy your pasta sauce. I have never tried making it although my older boy does. I must get him to make some for us sometime. I came late to the pasta scene and never really liked it much up untill I found out that I was doing it all wrong. Spaghetti must be el dante (spelling?) a little firm. Boil for 8 min max. The other thing is that the pasta actually has a taste. If you splunge it with sauce you will expunge the delicate pasta flavour. I find that the secret is use a little, just on top. The delicate flavour of the spaghetti will then come through...hmmm. The other thing is get it out of the strainer and on to the table and dig straight in. Don't wait till it cools. This means have your salad done and ready first. You are right about the water I do that too. I put a few drops of oil in it and a teaspoon of salt. On to Meat And Potato Pie.
 
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Yes Rupert I am more like you than you think I came late to the pasta scene too -

Stuart is more adventurous than I am and loves to cook - so he knows he has to do a good job if he wants to persuade me to try something new!

In answer to your question about spaghetti sauce -Stuart is very picky and will make it from scratch - Classic Bolgonese sauce better ingredients and a better quality of meat - Then he stores it and uses it later for lasagna etc...... But when I see it's all gone I can't be bothered with two hours of cooking I just buy it - that's me!
 
Made the meat and potato pie tonight and it was great. Used a round steak cut up; probably about a lb. and increased the quantities somewhat. Ended up using 3 cups of stock (OXO beef). Hit the pastry just right. Ordinary boiled cabbage worked OK. Eveyone happy not much leftover for lunch tomorrow. The round steak that I defrosted was too big so I made ahead pepper steak at the same time, with tomatoes, to be warmed up for another meal later.
 
Rupert,

That sounded good even at 8.00am on a dull Saturday morning even in darkest Suffolk.

Thinks?

Must get the woman to do that and she will:whip:

Thanks Beryl:)
 
My Mouth Is Watering. But Try The On Site Bakery At Morrisons Their Pies Well In Swansea Anyway Are Superb.
Just Like Mom Made

John
 
Thank you Rupert - I have had so many problems with my computer this last few days I am so glad the meat pie turned out OK - You have made my day
 
I have read that boiled meat is far healthier than roast or fried. Helps to prevent cancer when you eat meat. So that these recipes are great to have especially right now when the better cuts of beef are suddenly priced through the roof. I have always thought that a great meat pie/hot pot is fine food. Not lower class at all. There was a restaurant on the main road in Aldridge in the early 60s that made a super steak and kidney pie. It had a spongier kind of pastry on top and delicious gravy inside. Wish I knew how to make it.
Beryl is to be congratulated for taking the time to make these posts. The fact that they are fun to read somehow inspires one to make the effort. Maybe if we get enough great recipes we can compile a modest cookbook for the masses. ‘BHW Food Works’. Complete with a list of recommended implements spices and products and a good chuckle to read to get you going.
 
best butchers around for meat pies

the best pie makers was thompsons of aston ,
they put morrisons to shame ,they are never fresh on the shelf for days
and today you have to vote for the best butchers around today
for the best qualitity of joints of good fresh meat and cheap in price
in brum is dear old walter smiths the brummie butcher ,
I remember running and fetching a breast of lamb for 6p on saturday morning for our sunday dinner ,way back in the forties and the fifties
doe,s anybody know where walter smith had his Ist shop in brum
and where was it ? ,
If you want to try a pie , try a pigeon pie , very tastie ,
had it when i was a young lad very many years ago ,
best wishes astonian ;;;;
 
Pigeon pies Astonian - I have never tried it - I do know Italians like it - But from what I have heard they can be tough if not cooked properly
 
A couple of years ago when I spent five weeks in Brum I was on a bit of a mission to find some good pies especially Pork. I went to the Indoor Food Market in the Bull Ring(old spelling which I like best) where the butchers are and found a butcher who sold really super Pork Pies and I went back several times to buy them. I wish I could remember the name of the butcher. He and his brother have been in business for several years. Their processing facilities are out of Birmingham for production. The prices were very good also. The other place where I found super pies was at the stalls that set up in New Street on some days. The bacon on sale was also excellent as were the cheeses. Most of the vendors were from surrounding towns close to Brum.
I found the quality to be excellent.
 
If you want you want realy nice pies go to Coopers butchers shop on the Coventry Rd, corner of Aldershaw Rd, the first road past McDonalds, left hand side going towards The Swan island, i recommend the steak pies, pork pies and bread all made at the rear of the shop, the fresh meat is also top grade. Len.
 
I treated my other half to the meat & potato pie this evening Beryl. It was scrummy.
 
Wow Trevor It has been so long since I posted that recipe I never thought it would see day light again - I am so glad you enjoyed it.

My husband Stuart likes to do the cooking around here and I let him. But there are times I do have my uses LOL
 
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