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Mary Morton Chapman

pjmburns said:
The original definitely has FLOYDE

Also Mary Morton Chapman seems to be a witness at Ann's marriage
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Could you possibly have a look at the baptisms for Louisa & George Arthur in 1818 to see if their are any helpful details. Can't remember when it was that more details started be recorded (1813ish ?).

Thanks.
 
Ian Broinowski said:
Thankyou Janice
could you send me the link to Also Mary Morton Chapman seems to be a witness at Ann's marriage. I could certainly use this in my story
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Here you are - trust the Forum will get a mention in your book - that way other people find out about us and perhaps dontate to help keep the site running. :)

Marriage of an Ann Francis Chapman at St Phillips - at the bottom it says "In the presence of - Mary Morton chapman".
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MWS said:
Could you possibly have a look at the baptisms for Louisa & George Arthur in 1818 to see if their are any helpful details. Can't remember when it was that more details started be recorded (1813ish ?).

Thanks.
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Here you are - birth dates given although hard to read
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Thank you. That confirms George Arthur was Mary Morton Chapman's brother as well.

5 May 1816 and 3 Oct 1817 ?
 
pjmburns said:
Here you are - trust the Forum will get a mention in your book - that way other people find out about us and perhaps dontate to help keep the site running. :)

Marriage of an Ann Francis Chapman at St Phillips - at the bottom it says "In the presence of - Mary Morton chapman".
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Yes I will certainly reference the forum in my book and will use this. Could you please send me the citation for this document.

Thanks again Ian
 
Ian Broinowski said:
Yes I will certainly reference the forum in my book and will use this. Could you please send me the citation for this document.

Thanks again Ian
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Thanks.
All the documents I post are from Ancestry. Not sure exactly what details you require.
Busy baking now but will be back onForum later.
 
Did you notice on the early 18th century map on post #29 of Castle St thread that there is a reference to "Thomas Chapman's shop, 1785" under Booksellers and Printers, marked by 24 on Bull St?
 
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Here is the referred to map

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This is from the book "The bookmakers of Old Birmingham" by Joseph Hill, pub 1907, Below is the section concerning thomas chapman

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You may have already seen this but there appears to be a picture (lithograph) of Mary's printed in the Illustrated London News (3 Feb 1844) "...forward to this country per ship Eudira..."
 
Ian Broinowski said:
Yes I will certainly reference the forum in my book and will use this. Could you please send me the citation for this document.

Thanks again Ian
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I am still not sure what details you want. Ancestry does not seemto give any details. Both records are simply copied from the original parish records which are on Ancestry. If you let me know I will see if I can find what you want.
 
This is the citation from family search for Ann Frances Chapman's marriage, similar to the others I posted, though it doesn't link to a scan (so you can't see the witnesses)...

"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJDD-M47 : 13 March 2020), Ann Frances Chapman in entry for Henry Edwards, 1823.

On Ancestry there may be a citation on the transcript below the information, at least there is on the 1881 census (the only one I can look at) but it's not very detailed.
 
Thanks for that as I have now found it. :)
Marriage citation

Source Citation​

Reference Number: DRO 25; Archive Roll: M47

Source Information​

Ancestry.com. Birmingham, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2013.
Original data: Anglican Parish Records. Birmingham, England: Library of Birmingham.
 
Hi Janice and BWS,
This is really great thankyou both.
I thought you may like to know a little more about Mary and her amazing legacy.
Here is a link to her Biography.
Mary Biography

She kept most of her work as did subsequent generations until her great grandson Henry donated an incredible collection to the State Library known as "The Allport Collection"

You can see much of her work online. Go to State Library https://librariestas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/all/search/results?qu=&qu="mary+Allport"&qu=

You will this page. Make sure you click om All Fields in the left hand box and then click Online and select.
I think you will love what you see. Some of her sketches date back to 1818 when she was 12 and you may recognize some of the places she depicts in her wok.

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Ian
 
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MWS said:
This is the citation from family search for Ann Frances Chapman's marriage, similar to the others I posted, though it doesn't link to a scan (so you can't see the witnesses)...

"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJDD-M47 : 13 March 2020), Ann Frances Chapman in entry for Henry Edwards, 1823.

On Ancestry there may be a citation on the transcript below the information, at least there is on the 1881 census (the only one I can look at) but it's not very detailed.
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Interesting this has Ann's birth year as 1802 which would lessen the gap before the next birth
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I like the fact that Henry's marital status is "unknown". Perhaps this lack of attention to detail is why we come across bigamous marriages. o_O
Ann's birth can't be 1801 if she was christened in 1799.
 
Ian Broinowski said:
So do you think Thomas was Williams father?
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Once you get before 1841 things become less certain, however I think it is likely seeing that Thomas, printer of Bull St, married an Ann Morton - corroborated by newspapers mentions of the deaths of himself, his wife & daughter - and that a number of William's children and grandchildren bear the name Morton.

Ian Broinowski said:
Interesting this has Ann's birth year as 1802 which would lessen the gap before the next birth
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Again, small variations are not uncommon in the recording of ages in early records. Her baptism certainly took place in 1799 so she had to be born prior to that.
 
MWS said:
You may have already seen this but there appears to be a picture (lithograph) of Mary's printed in the Illustrated London News (3 Feb 1844) "...forward to this country per ship Eudira..."
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Thankyou I have just found it. Draw from her garden
 
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Ian Broinowski said:
Hi Janice and BWS,
This is really great thankyou both.
I thought you may like to know a little more about Mary and her amazing legacy.
Here is a link to her Biography.
Mary Biography

She kept most of her work as did subsequent generations until her great grandson Henry donated an incredible collection to the State Library known as "The Allport Collection"

You can see much of her work online. Go to State Library https://librariestas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/all/search/results?qu=&qu="mary+Allport"&qu=

You will this page. Make sure you click om All Fields in the left hand box and then click Online and select.
I think you will love what you see. Some of her sketches date back to 1818 when she was 12 and you may recognize some of the places she depicts in her wok.


Ian
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Coming from a fairly well to do family ,Tasmania must have been a big change.

I recognise a few places - Kenilworth Castle and Dudley Castle - and her drawing of Pebble Mill must be quite rare.

"My Grandfather's House Prospect Hill" would have belonged to Humphrey Evett, and it was later owned by Mary's brother William Floyd Chapman, it's sale is mentioned when William is moving Llandudno.
 
A bit of an update for Ann Frances Edwards, who it appears had at least 8 children, some of which were born in Cheltenham.

Ann Frances Edwards the eldest daughter of William and Ann Chapman, baptised 6 Dec 1799 at St Philip's, Bham. She married by licencse Henry Edwards, 21 Jun 1823 at St Philip's, Bham. Henry Edwards was a silversmith and merchant and together they had at least 8 children, born in Cheltenham, Birmingham and Handsworth. Ann Frances died in 1859.

Their two eldest daughters, Ann Frances and Mary Ann, married brothers William and Charles Slingsby from Coventry, on the same day, 10th August 1847 at St Michael's, Pattingham. Their eldest son, John Plimley Edwards was arrested in Stockholm in Jun 1860, have absconded with a large sum of money after being declared bankrupt. Three further daughters, Sarah Plimley, Louisa Elizabeth, both spinsters, and Georgiana (Astley) coincidently died in Jan 1910 (12th, 27th & 8th respectively) in Coventry at the house of Georgiana, the youngest.
 
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Sarah died on the 12th Jan, Louisa, the 27th and Georgiana prior to the 7th, so may well have been 1909 but both Sarah and Louisa died at Georgiana's house.

Have edited previous post to show new info.
 
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MWS said:
Coming from a fairly well to do family ,Tasmania must have been a big change.

I recognise a few places - Kenilworth Castle and Dudley Castle - and her drawing of Pebble Mill must be quite rare.

"My Grandfather's House Prospect Hill" would have belonged to Humphrey Evett, and it was later owned by Mary's brother William Floyd Chapman, it's sale is mentioned when William is moving Llandudno.
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VDL in 1830s was a pretty challenging place to be. Good social life which they were accepted into because of their social standing. They lived comfortably once Joseph went back into law but they were both far more interested in learning and the arts than material wellbeing - which of course has left us with the most wonderful collection. Far more than money could ever achieve.
Nice solid home, Aldridge Lodge, but not grand, I drove up to look at it a few days ago.
 
Having now found that Georgiana died on the 8th Jan 1910, I have edited post #57 again. It must have been a sad month for the family.
 
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