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Lewis Samuel
- Thread starter Laura-Jen
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Shera
true brummie
Re: Samuel Lewis
1891 living brearley st. bham
samuel lewis 32 labourer
elizabeth 29
samuel 7
may 5
beatrice 4
florence 1
mary a 5 mths
thomas spratt father in law widower 51 brass worker
thomas spratt brother in law 20 brass worker
all born bham
would this be the correct one or do you mean samuel only had 1 child.
1891 living brearley st. bham
samuel lewis 32 labourer
elizabeth 29
samuel 7
may 5
beatrice 4
florence 1
mary a 5 mths
thomas spratt father in law widower 51 brass worker
thomas spratt brother in law 20 brass worker
all born bham
would this be the correct one or do you mean samuel only had 1 child.
Virusman26
master brummie
Re: Samuel Lewis
My god, my Granddad's name was Samuel Lewis, but lived in West Brom. My daughters name is Sophia Mary Anne Lewis!! Wierd!
My god, my Granddad's name was Samuel Lewis, but lived in West Brom. My daughters name is Sophia Mary Anne Lewis!! Wierd!
Laura-Jen
master brummie
Re: Samuel Lewis
thanks everyone, i believe my gt nan was an only child to Samuel Lewis as we dont know of any gt aunts or uncles, they were catholic or at least she was,she was 21 when she married Patrick at st chads i think her birthday was 1st August gonna have a quick look at the free bmd.
Thanks again for all the help.
thanks everyone, i believe my gt nan was an only child to Samuel Lewis as we dont know of any gt aunts or uncles, they were catholic or at least she was,she was 21 when she married Patrick at st chads i think her birthday was 1st August gonna have a quick look at the free bmd.
Thanks again for all the help.
Laura-Jen
master brummie
Re: Samuel Lewis
thanks Bren i'm looking at the mo, this whole side of the family is proving to be a bit of a mystery considering the other side are smiths!!!!! i am the grandaughter of Mary's second son Edwin Melvin born in 1930 15 yrs after Patrick died in ww1?????? all we have is a name of mullins who ran a shop round the corner and was possibly irish!!!!!! we cant get much info as the actual melvins are quite biased.
thanks Bren i'm looking at the mo, this whole side of the family is proving to be a bit of a mystery considering the other side are smiths!!!!! i am the grandaughter of Mary's second son Edwin Melvin born in 1930 15 yrs after Patrick died in ww1?????? all we have is a name of mullins who ran a shop round the corner and was possibly irish!!!!!! we cant get much info as the actual melvins are quite biased.
bren
master brummie
Re: Samuel Lewis
There is this marriage --
Samuel Lewis/Emily Alice Jeynes 2nd qtr 1890 Birmingham 6d 223
There is also another one in 1894 but idealy you need the birth cert for Mary so that you can find out her mothers name. I suggest you send for one or both of the cert's you have details for and specify you want the one with Samuel named as the father.
As for Mr Mullins, you only say he was "round the corner", do you know what area or roads involved, if so, have you looked at Electoral Rolls or in the Directories for that time period
bren
There is this marriage --
Samuel Lewis/Emily Alice Jeynes 2nd qtr 1890 Birmingham 6d 223
There is also another one in 1894 but idealy you need the birth cert for Mary so that you can find out her mothers name. I suggest you send for one or both of the cert's you have details for and specify you want the one with Samuel named as the father.
As for Mr Mullins, you only say he was "round the corner", do you know what area or roads involved, if so, have you looked at Electoral Rolls or in the Directories for that time period
bren
Laura-Jen
master brummie
Re: Samuel Lewis
Mary Lewis lived at 3 Court 1 St Georges St when she married, i also have an Edwin Mullins registered as living at the same address from the 1920's. I know Mary lived in Smith Street when my grandad and his brothers were born, we have been told by Josie (Mary Melvin b1913 daughter) that Mr Mullins lived opposite and ran a shop and that his children with his wife (catholic hence no divorce) and my grandad and his brothers all played together, but he vanishes around 1940 my grandad was told he died but he may also have gone to ireland (i have missed out all of the nasty comments that where made about Mullins as it was obviously a big stigma in the 30's to be having children out of wedlock and with another womans husband!!!!!)
Mary Lewis lived at 3 Court 1 St Georges St when she married, i also have an Edwin Mullins registered as living at the same address from the 1920's. I know Mary lived in Smith Street when my grandad and his brothers were born, we have been told by Josie (Mary Melvin b1913 daughter) that Mr Mullins lived opposite and ran a shop and that his children with his wife (catholic hence no divorce) and my grandad and his brothers all played together, but he vanishes around 1940 my grandad was told he died but he may also have gone to ireland (i have missed out all of the nasty comments that where made about Mullins as it was obviously a big stigma in the 30's to be having children out of wedlock and with another womans husband!!!!!)
Laura-Jen
master brummie
Re: Samuel Lewis
Hiya,
Eventually got the cert and it is this marriage that Mary was born from and i have found the family on the 1891 cenus. Emily was 36 and Samuel 30 when they married it appears she was married before as she has 4 other daughters on the census and her Father Nathaniel Collyer is listed as living with them (this name is on the birth cert as Emily's previous name), there is sad news on the cert Emily is noted as deceased only 2 days after Mary's birth, i now have more questions, what happened to the sisters? was Mary bought up by her dad? who is Jeynes? why did Mary lie on her marriage cert?????????????????????
Hiya,
Eventually got the cert and it is this marriage that Mary was born from and i have found the family on the 1891 cenus. Emily was 36 and Samuel 30 when they married it appears she was married before as she has 4 other daughters on the census and her Father Nathaniel Collyer is listed as living with them (this name is on the birth cert as Emily's previous name), there is sad news on the cert Emily is noted as deceased only 2 days after Mary's birth, i now have more questions, what happened to the sisters? was Mary bought up by her dad? who is Jeynes? why did Mary lie on her marriage cert?????????????????????
Pomgolian
Kiwi Brummie
Re: Samuel Lewis
Do you think that Emily was married to Mr Jeynes and that the elder daughters could have been fathered by him
Could this be one of them?
[SIZE=+1]Births Jun 1884 [/SIZE]
Jeynes Emily Alice Birmingham 6d155
You never said what the other girls names were that you found in 1891
Do you think that Emily was married to Mr Jeynes and that the elder daughters could have been fathered by him
Could this be one of them?
[SIZE=+1]Births Jun 1884 [/SIZE]
Jeynes Emily Alice Birmingham 6d155
You never said what the other girls names were that you found in 1891
Laura-Jen
master brummie
Re: Samuel Lewis
it ver well could be as this is them in the 1891 census and i have found Georgina listed as a Jeynes at birth
Piece: RG12/2388 Place: Birmingham -Warwickshire Enumeration District: 16
Civil Parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical Parish: St Nicholas
Folio: 17 Page: 27 Schedule: 161
Address: 14 Crt 1 Hse Cecil St
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born
LEWIS Saml Head M M 30 Bricklayer(Em'ee) Warwickshire - Birmingham
LEWIS Emily Wife M F 36 Worcestershire - Worcester
LEWIS Alice Dau - F 13 Scholar Warwickshire - Birmingham
LEWIS Kate Dau - F 10 Scholar Warwickshire - Birmingham
LEWIS Emily Dau - F 7 Scholar Warwickshire - Birmingham
LEWIS Georgina Harriet Dau - F 5 Scholar Warwickshire - Birmingham
Page: 17/28
COLLYER Nathaniel Fa-Law W M 71 Cabinet Maker(Notem) Worcestershire - Worcester
it ver well could be as this is them in the 1891 census and i have found Georgina listed as a Jeynes at birth
Piece: RG12/2388 Place: Birmingham -Warwickshire Enumeration District: 16
Civil Parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical Parish: St Nicholas
Folio: 17 Page: 27 Schedule: 161
Address: 14 Crt 1 Hse Cecil St
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born
LEWIS Saml Head M M 30 Bricklayer(Em'ee) Warwickshire - Birmingham
LEWIS Emily Wife M F 36 Worcestershire - Worcester
LEWIS Alice Dau - F 13 Scholar Warwickshire - Birmingham
LEWIS Kate Dau - F 10 Scholar Warwickshire - Birmingham
LEWIS Emily Dau - F 7 Scholar Warwickshire - Birmingham
LEWIS Georgina Harriet Dau - F 5 Scholar Warwickshire - Birmingham
Page: 17/28
COLLYER Nathaniel Fa-Law W M 71 Cabinet Maker(Notem) Worcestershire - Worcester
Pomgolian
Kiwi Brummie
Re: Samuel Lewis
I might be right off beam here ....
(but it has happened more than once in my research on this forum)
Emily Alice Collyer may have married three time...
[SIZE=+1]Marriages Jun 1873 [/SIZE]
Brannon John Birmingham 6d195
Collyer Emma Alice Birmingham 6d195
[SIZE=+1]Deaths Dec 1877 [/SIZE] Brannon John 27 Birmingham 6d106
[SIZE=+1]Marriages Sep 1882 [/SIZE]
Brannon Emily Aston 6d403
Jeynes George Aston 6d403
[SIZE=+1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Deaths Dec 1885 [/SIZE] Jeynes George Edmund 39 Birmingham 6d82
[SIZE=+1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Marriages Jun 1890 [/SIZE]
Jeynes Emily Alice Birmingham 6d223
Lewis Samuel Birmingham 6d223
Just a thought
I might be right off beam here ....
(but it has happened more than once in my research on this forum)
Emily Alice Collyer may have married three time...
[SIZE=+1]Marriages Jun 1873 [/SIZE]
Brannon John Birmingham 6d195
Collyer Emma Alice Birmingham 6d195
[SIZE=+1]Deaths Dec 1877 [/SIZE] Brannon John 27 Birmingham 6d106
[SIZE=+1]Marriages Sep 1882 [/SIZE]
Brannon Emily Aston 6d403
Jeynes George Aston 6d403
[SIZE=+1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Deaths Dec 1885 [/SIZE] Jeynes George Edmund 39 Birmingham 6d82
[SIZE=+1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Marriages Jun 1890 [/SIZE]
Jeynes Emily Alice Birmingham 6d223
Lewis Samuel Birmingham 6d223
Just a thought
Pomgolian
Kiwi Brummie
Re: Samuel Lewis
Seems likely with George Jeynes and Geogina as a family name.
I hate to confuse but just found another John Brannon's death around the same time...
[SIZE=+1]Deaths Jun 1878 [/SIZE]BRANNON John 33 Birmingham 6d123
I've also found under an alternative spelling...
(this also is very common when researching)
EMILY ALICE COLLIER
Christening: 06 SEP 1857 Saint Stephen, Birmingham, Warwick, England
Parents: Father: NATHANIEL COLLIER Mother: SARAH
Seems likely with George Jeynes and Geogina as a family name.
I hate to confuse but just found another John Brannon's death around the same time...
[SIZE=+1]Deaths Jun 1878 [/SIZE]BRANNON John 33 Birmingham 6d123
I've also found under an alternative spelling...
(this also is very common when researching)
EMILY ALICE COLLIER
Christening: 06 SEP 1857 Saint Stephen, Birmingham, Warwick, England
Parents: Father: NATHANIEL COLLIER Mother: SARAH
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Laura-Jen
master brummie
Re: Samuel Lewis
i think the Emily Alice Collyer i have found is the right one as all the ages in the census and marriages tie in with her being born in 1853, i have also found a Nathaniel Collyer in the 1851 Census (tho i cannot open the file as its on a fee paying site, cannot find it on the free census) who appears to be the right one
NATHANIEL COLLYER 31
Worcester, Worcester North, Tything of Whistones
i think the Emily Alice Collyer i have found is the right one as all the ages in the census and marriages tie in with her being born in 1853, i have also found a Nathaniel Collyer in the 1851 Census (tho i cannot open the file as its on a fee paying site, cannot find it on the free census) who appears to be the right one
NATHANIEL COLLYER 31
Worcester, Worcester North, Tything of Whistones
Laura-Jen
master brummie
Re: Samuel Lewis
Thankyou Alberta, seems to be mystery after mystery.
The Nathaniel (Nathaiel Freeman Collyer) I have noted as Emily's father appears to have married in 1843 in Kidderminster, I have found this on the free BMD site i think the spouse is Eliza Bond but not 100% on this.
I thought once i had Mary Lewis' details it would be a bit easier (other than the Mullins bit) but it seems my family started as it ment to go on!!!!!
Thankyou Alberta, seems to be mystery after mystery.
The Nathaniel (Nathaiel Freeman Collyer) I have noted as Emily's father appears to have married in 1843 in Kidderminster, I have found this on the free BMD site i think the spouse is Eliza Bond but not 100% on this.
I thought once i had Mary Lewis' details it would be a bit easier (other than the Mullins bit) but it seems my family started as it ment to go on!!!!!
Laura-Jen
master brummie
Re: Samuel Lewis
I have made a connection!!!!!
This is the right one, he is a lodger with his mother and her husband, i am soooooooooooooo excited!!!!!!
I have made a connection!!!!!
This is the right one, he is a lodger with his mother and her husband, i am soooooooooooooo excited!!!!!!