• Welcome to this forum . We are a worldwide group with a common interest in Birmingham and its history. While here, please follow a few simple rules. We ask that you respect other members, thank those who have helped you and please keep your contributions on-topic with the thread.

    We do hope you enjoy your visit. BHF Admin Team

Leake, Shaw,Canham family

  • Thread starter Thread starter tippynut
  • Start date Start date
it seems harry is buried in an unmarked grave...sad considering he received the military cross...also does anyone know if mr and mrs leake was related to harry given that they are down as next of kin...i cant seem to find a birth reg at the min for harry

lyn
 
MWS said:
Thanks. I searched 56 on the 1921 census but got a different family but their result came up under no. 36 but I'm unable to check transcription errors.

Not really relevant but Rhoda's first husband emigrated to US in 1907 and was still alive in 1940. Doubtful they divorced (possibly why she didn't marry Alfred) and she may have married Arthur bigamously.

Rhoda's eldest 2 daughters were listed as Walsgrove, though on the 1911 census the youngest of these 2 is listed as Hollingsworth (daughter) whilst the elder is listed as Walsgrove (adopted daughter). So I'd guess Rhoda's first marriage broke down sometime between their births.
Click to expand...
21` census

thumbnail.jpgleake 21.jpg
 
Last edited:
Thanks for these posts, which I found quite helpful. I am interested in Harry (Henry) Taylor as he served on 41 Squadron RFC in 1917. I am the Historian for Squadron and am currently researching their WWI pilots. I note that the family also appears on the FamilySearch site at https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/P3WS-Z8H

However, that page only provides the rough year of birth. Does anyone have access to records that might provide exact dates of birth (and where possible dates of death) for his family member, please? Charles Taylor (b 1844) & Sarah Ann Taylor (nee Brookes, b 1849), & siblings Florence (b 1870), Susan (b 1872), Leah (b 1874), Charles (b 1876), Rhoda (‘Rose’, b 1879), George (b 1882), & Lily (1885).

I also noted a mention of Harry living with his sister Rhoda in the 1911 census. May I ask the address, please, and if provided Harry's occupation?

For your interest as return thanks, please find some further records of Harry attached.

Kind regards and thanks in advance
Steve
 

Attachments

  • Tayor - ASN.pdf
    Tayor - ASN.pdf
    263.1 KB · Views: 0
  • CWGC 2.JPG
    CWGC 2.JPG
    1.6 MB · Views: 4
  • CasCard 4.PNG
    CasCard 4.PNG
    333.7 KB · Views: 4
  • CasCard 3.PNG
    CasCard 3.PNG
    820 KB · Views: 4
  • CasCard 2.PNG
    CasCard 2.PNG
    883.1 KB · Views: 5
  • CasCard 1b.jpg
    CasCard 1b.jpg
    98.8 KB · Views: 5
  • CasCard 1a.jpg
    CasCard 1a.jpg
    131.2 KB · Views: 5
Harry appears to be listed as Press Toolmaker and address appears to be Phillips St.

You may only be able to get his exact dob from his birth certificate.
 
Thanks Janice and Lyn, I've managed to establish Harry's date of birth from his AIF/RFC/RAF service record, which is held by the National Archives of Australia, and it is recorded as being in Birmingham on 19 May 1888.

However, given the relatively common surname, it is proving difficult to establish more exact dates of birth for members of his family than those given on the FamilySearch site (attached pdf, above), or their dates of death. I appreciate the help you've provided.

Regards
Steve
 
The birth I referenced in post #42 is reg with mmn Brookes which fits so are you sure about the date of 1888? I kow his service record says that date but is it correct?

1763637786080.png
 
Last edited:
SteveBrew said:
However, given the relatively common surname, it is proving difficult to establish more exact dates of birth for members of his family than those given on the FamilySearch site (attached pdf, above), or their dates of death. I appreciate the help you've provided.

Regards
Steve
Click to expand...

If you can trace them to the 1939 Register then that will give dobs, though it's not always correct. Failing that it would be birth certficates.

To start with, Florence who is actually Harriet Florence appears to marry an Alfred Watson and on the 1939 Register (11 Partons Road) she gives her dob as 1 Oct 1869. Possible death 1949.

And Leah who is actually Elizabeth Leah appears to marry a Charles Holloway and on the 1939 Register (9 Broadstone Road) she gives her dob as 13 Jan 1873, though as was reg. Mar 1874 it probably should be that. Possible death 1945.
 
Last edited:
pjmburns said:
The birth I referenced in post #42 is reg with mmn Brookes which fits so are you sure about the date of 1888? I kow his service record says that date but is it correct?

View attachment 214089
Click to expand...
yes jan as you know from my recent family research on my uncles service record it says dob 31st july 1911 and on his medical card it says 31st july 1912 his marriage cert puts him born 1912...decided to get his birth cert which says born 31st july 1910 so his year of birth was incorrect on the records so we cant always take what is written on any documents as being correct and for the sake of £3 it was well worth me finding out for certain

lyn
 
Last edited:
pjmburns said:
1891 I think he is with his parents Charles and Sarah aged 1 at 85 Leopold Street.
Not 100% where he is in 1901. Still checking.
Click to expand...

Not sure but he may be with his father, step mother and sister, Lily, in Balsall Heath.

Age for Charles, Harry and Lily match. Charles is listed as a die sinker. Is that similar enough to a stamper?
 
MWS said:
Not sure but he may be with his father, step mother and sister, Lily, in Balsall Heath.

Age for Charles, Harry and Lily match. Charles is listed as a die sinker. Is that similar enough to a stamper?
Click to expand...
Thanks - I did see that but wasn't sure especially as I thought I found Sarah and Charles together on the 1901. Haven't checked yet though.
 
Last edited:
  • Appreciate
Reactions: MWS
Thanks Janice, MWS, and Lyn, this is all helpful information.

Janice, the images you posted are from his AIF service record, and it is this same record, on the forty-third page, that records his DOB as 19 May 88.

It is on the first of two pages in a report signed (and likely filled in) by Harry. Given his sister's delayed birth registration mentioned by MWS in Post #45, Harry's registration was possibly also a late submission.

I appreciate your assistance with the DOBs, as I do not have access to the 1939 Register, and FamilySearch and Free BMD only help so far.

DOB.PNG
 
Last edited:
I know what the record says but the point Lyn and MWS are making is not about late registration but that people paid less attention to their birth year. So Leah who on 1939 says 1873 but whose birth was reg in 1874 was actually born in 1874.
The birth cert is right and other dates are inaccurate. So Harry's dob may not be 1888.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top