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Kardomah New Street and Colmore Row
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If those are the mosaics, they do not look the same to me.
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The 2017 planning application is for 41 New Street, Charles Tyrwhitt, not the ex-Kardomah corner unit to the left as you look at the building. See the attached.
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The 'ghost' that's been resurrected on Birmingham's busiest street
There's something familiar back on Birmingham New Street that hearkens back to the city we were 125 years ago
Is this not the ground floor? Also there are more shapes next to each other than upstairs in Charles Tyrwhitt, where the mosaics are opposite the stairs not under them.
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Richard Dye
master brummie
Great article!The 'ghost' that's been resurrected on Birmingham's busiest street
There's something familiar back on Birmingham New Street that hearkens back to the city we were 125 years agowww.birminghammail.co.uk
lmr3103
master brummie
I visited Gail's today for a (very expensive) cup of coffee. I'm still none the wiser. Like Stokkie said there's nothing to see upstairs there, apart from the beautiful carved wooden staircase. I went into Tyrwhiits, which is next door but one and they have those beautifu lmosaic tiles displayed in all their glory on the first floor.
Does this mean that at one time, the KD had a larger area upstairs? And I know it was the place for Mods to congregate back in the day, but that was apparently in the Basement. How was that accessed as I couldn't see anything of the kind in Gails?
Does this mean that at one time, the KD had a larger area upstairs? And I know it was the place for Mods to congregate back in the day, but that was apparently in the Basement. How was that accessed as I couldn't see anything of the kind in Gails?
When it was the John Barrie shop in the 1970s they the Birmingham Victorian Society advised them on refitting and .Maybe there's something of help in their records (if they still exist somewhere) ?
Source: British Newspaper Archive
Source: British Newspaper Archive
So the Kardomah unit Number 42A, had mosaics in 1978 on the first floor, and ex-42 has mosaics within Charles Tyrwhitt on the first floor. A 2019 report by Heritage Collective said that mosaics were discovered recently on the first floor of 41. What this tells us is that every unit had mosaics on the first floor, so I think we need to abandon the idea that Kardomah was behind the existence of mosaics in the building.
Bach and Barker occupied #42 from at least 1856 until they moved to new premises by 1907. Their address given throughout that time in all their advertising was #42. In 1897, the New Street premises (between Needless Alley and Cannon Street) were rebuilt, but they returned to it after rebuilding. They were funeral directors.
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Austin Reed was at #41 from at least 1913 to at least 1958.
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#41A New Street appears in adverts for Brown and Sons Boot and Shoe Co from at least 1863 - 1874. By 1875, it was Bostocks Boot and Shoe at #41A
Shall check for later entries for 41A.
Shall check for later entries for 41A.
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The Kardomah #42a New Street address appears in adverts from 1906 until 1944.
Further to post #164, after Bach and Barker moved out in 1907 occupants of #42 New Street were:
1912 T. C. Palmer
1918 - 1956 M&M Macintosh Ltd/Burberry
1956 Dolcis Shoe Co (on a 16 and half year lease.Occupants until at least 1961). The premises had 'an arcade entrance'. Another advert calls it 'an imposing arcade entrance' .
1912 T. C. Palmer
1918 - 1956 M&M Macintosh Ltd/Burberry
1956 Dolcis Shoe Co (on a 16 and half year lease.Occupants until at least 1961). The premises had 'an arcade entrance'. Another advert calls it 'an imposing arcade entrance' .
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I've just been looking at this photo (posted by Richie on the Austin Reed thread) of Austin Reeds shop at #41, and it looks to me that a small plaque with the word 'Kard.. Cafe' is on the side of the building (next to the larger plaque above ARs entrance) on the corner of Cannon Street. So was the cafe only upstairs or downstairs in the basement ? And where was the Kardomah Cafe entrance? In Cannon Street or New Street ? Today's Streetview attached for ref.
The B&W photo was from the RIBA site and dated 1926 when the upper floors were remodelled.
The B&W photo was from the RIBA site and dated 1926 when the upper floors were remodelled.
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lmr3103
master brummie
Viv that’s the other end of the range of buildings, on the corner of New Street and Cannon Street.
The Kardomah was on the corner of New Street and Needless Alley.
Perhaps that small sign was just an advertisement for the cafe?
In the Kelly’s for 1895 the mourning warehouse was listed as being in the corner but they’ve gone by 1900 and the Kardomah is now in that location. As they are in 1905 and 1908.
Bit of a mystery….
The Kardomah was on the corner of New Street and Needless Alley.
Perhaps that small sign was just an advertisement for the cafe?
In the Kelly’s for 1895 the mourning warehouse was listed as being in the corner but they’ve gone by 1900 and the Kardomah is now in that location. As they are in 1905 and 1908.
Bit of a mystery….
That explains it, thanks. Can't help but wonder why the sign was on the Cannon Street side of the building.
The Kardomah in 1950s from the Birmingham Mail, Dolcis Shoes sign just in view (right) at #42.
Another snippet to add to background of a fire in the Kardomah basement in the 1960s. Only the first 2 paragraphs refer to the Kardomah.
Source: British Newspaper Archive
The Kardomah in 1950s from the Birmingham Mail, Dolcis Shoes sign just in view (right) at #42.
Another snippet to add to background of a fire in the Kardomah basement in the 1960s. Only the first 2 paragraphs refer to the Kardomah.
Source: British Newspaper Archive
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Richard Dye
master brummie
Thank goodness it’s still there, what a classy looking storefront that it!
Smudger
master brummie
I`ve been in that basement many times, 40`s/early 50`s. Mom worked there making the fancy cakes. Can`t understand why i was always so skinny.
Richard Dye
master brummie
Smudger, find out your secret it will be worth a fortune!I`ve been in that basement many times, 40`s/early 50`s. Mom worked there making the fancy cakes. Can`t understand why i was always so skinny.
