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John Vincent Kerr

MWS said:
There's definitely a Mary Faulkner born Willenhall, 27 Jun 1837 daughter of Henry and Caroline.
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yes i saw that mark its a good 4 years out though...61 says born 1833..71 b 1836..81 b 1833..but as we all know ages can be out
 
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Mary Falkner was baptised Atherstone 18 Dec 1831, the daughter of James Falkner and Sarah Hatton.

Helpfully, on the baptism of her brothers on freeReg not only are her parents listed but also both grandfathers, James Faulkner of Tamworth, a labourer, and Joseph Hatton of Atherstone, a hatter.

Mary's brother Henry was living in Willenhall from at least 1861, so I wonder if the whole family moved there and that's why Willenhall was listed as Mary's birthplace in 1871.

The father of the wrong Mary, also a Henry (a different one) was born in Tamworth, so the two Mary's may well be related.
 
And they appear to be cousins, there father's - James and Henry - seem to be the sons of James Falkener and Mary Murray of Tamworth.
 
MWS said:
Is her birthplace listed as Willenhall on the 1871 census?

(1871 census is rubbish on familysearch)
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This is Harriet's marriage certificate. 1884 as you said. Father still Vincent Kerr. Within a year, gone from Soldier to Locksmith. Think he's Huoudini lol. Thank you for your kind help. Please pass on to Lnn.
 

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mrbluesky1957 said:
This is Harriet's marriage certificate. 1884 as you said. Father still Vincent Kerr. Within a year, gone from Soldier to Locksmith. Think he's Huoudini lol. Thank you for your kind help. Please pass on to Lnn.
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I am not sure what you mean by "within year". I thought Vincent married in 1895 and Harriet in 1884. 11 years apart.
Interesting it is a Catholic ceremony - might tie in with the suggested Irish connection.
 
pjmburns said:
I am not sure what you mean by "within year". I thought Vincent married in 1895 and Harriet in 1884. 11 years apart.
Interesting it is a Catholic ceremony - might tie in with the suggested Irish connection.
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Your correct, I thought 1895. Misread, also you know more than me. Catholic ceremony. So explains soldier to Locksmith. Amazing what you come up with. Thank you.
 
mrbluesky1957 said:
This is Harriet's marriage certificate. 1884 as you said. Father still Vincent Kerr. Within a year, gone from Soldier to Locksmith. Think he's Huoudini lol. Thank you for your kind help. Please pass on to Lnn.
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I've tried family search and agree rubbish. Not on ancestry. I got nothing from family search censuses. Otherwise for free pretty good.
 
Harriet's marriage doesn't really help in tracing the father, unfortunately.

The Faulkners were all locksmiths, so it makes me think there may be a bit of fudging of the truth going on.
 
Re: Catholic - marriage is at Oratory which told me but it does say Catholic on the certficate.
Not sure it explains locksmith and soldier:
We had a possible on 1861 census see post #18, then locksmith on Harriet's marriage in 1884 and back to soldier in 1895 on Vincent's marriage. Makes me wonder if Mary had been married? Did the children really know any info about their Father who may or may not have been Vincent Kerr? She seems to be calling herself a widow early on - could be a cover story.
It might be possible to find the army records of the soldier from 1861 census but it is a longshot.
 
MWS said:
Harriet's marriage doesn't really help in tracing the father, unfortunately.

The Faulkners were all locksmiths, so it makes me think there may be a bit of fudging of the truth going on.
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Lol, made me laugh. Think the faulkners have been well researched
John Vincent Kerr or Vincent Kerr, nothing. One of those I think
 
pjmburns said:
Re: Catholic - marriage is at Oratory which told me but it does say Catholic on the certficate.
Not sure it explains locksmith and soldier:
We had a possible on 1861 census see post #18, then locksmith on Harriet's marriage in 1884 and back to soldier in 1895 on Vincent's marriage. Makes me wonder if Mary had been married? Did the children really know any info about their Father who may or may not have been Vincent Kerr? She seems to be calling herself a widow early on - could be a cover story.
It might be possible to find the army records of the soldier from 1861 census but it is a longshot.
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Think you could be correct, very strange. Will look at what you posted. Thank you.
 
pjmburns said:
Re: Catholic - marriage is at Oratory which told me but it does say Catholic on the certficate.
Not sure it explains locksmith and soldier:
We had a possible on 1861 census see post #18, then locksmith on Harriet's marriage in 1884 and back to soldier in 1895 on Vincent's marriage. Makes me wonder if Mary had been married? Did the children really know any info about their Father who may or may not have been Vincent Kerr? She seems to be calling herself a widow early on - could be a cover story.
It might be possible to find the army records of the soldier from 1861 census but it is a longshot.
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On Vincent's birth his father is listed as a Gun Finisher. If there's any truth to any of his occupations you would expect it to be this one.

By the time Vincent marries it is probable that both his parents are dead and in the case of his father, possibly for some time. It seems likely that all the children knew of their father was what Mary would have told them.

I agree it seems unlikely that Mary married (can't see one). How long the relationship lasted is anyone's guess, and if he died or left, the same.

I would discount soldier as an occupation for Vincent's father for the time being, as you say a cover story maybe.

Can't see a birth registration for Harriet and at this stage I wouldn't be surprised if her father was someone else.
 
MWS said:
On Vincent's birth his father is listed as a Gun Finisher. If there's any truth to any of his occupations you would expect it to be this one.

By the time Vincent marries it is probable that both his parents are dead and in the case of his father, possibly for some time. It seems likely that all the children knew of their father was what Mary would have told them.

I agree it seems unlikely that Mary married (can't see one). How long the relationship lasted is anyone's guess, and if he died or left, the same.

I would discount soldier as an occupation for Vincent's father for the time being, as you say a cover story maybe.

Can't see a birth registration for Harriet and at this stage I wouldn't be surprised if her father was someone else.
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Thanks for that, most probably correct. I have recently been in touch with my wife's cousin. As per usual not seen her for many yrs, at a funeral. She mothers side is a Kerr. She's got stuck the same place as all of us. She did mention military records. So have asked her for info or a copy. It might be the guy John Vincent or his son Vincent. Just wondering with the post in the military and born in Ireland. Not giving up yet lol. Will update you. Like all on this great site, always to pick more peoples brains.
 
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