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Iommi family

MWS said:
When it comes to pre-1900 ancestors moving from one place to another there are always a number of questions that spring to mind, usually unanswerable.

Why did they move?
Why did they choose the place they moved to?
What did they think of it when they first arrived?
Did they remain in contact with any family that remained?
And no doubt others.

My great grandparents came to Bham from rural Oxfordshire in the 1870s and I have speculated on answers to the above questions. It must have been a strange experience.

For people moving from a different country it must have been even stranger.
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Its crazy because id say here and now, a lot of people would take the opportunity to get out of Brum. moving to Italy would be a dream for some, even Oxfordshire has got to be better than here.
Id have loved to of seen North Birmingham and the city centre in the 1920s.

So im going back to st Josephs tomorrow, I just hope someone can get their hand on a map for me, as no one ever answers the phone.
quick one aswell the uploads I put on yesterday of the burial records. On Felice and Angelina's it does list a John and Luigi as sons, are those the names you read? if so ill add to my tree as I think that will complete their children.
 
John we already know off as Giovanni.

And without further evidence I'd guess Luigi may be incorrectly listed and should be Luigi Musticone (son in law). There is no other sign of a Luigi Iommi to suggest another son.
 
Giovanni/John is a straight forward one. There are a couple Musticones that are a little less obvious Loreda/Nellie and Nuziata/Nancy.
 
Suzanneiom said:
Its crazy because id say here and now, a lot of people would take the opportunity to get out of Brum. moving to Italy would be a dream for some, even Oxfordshire has got to be better than here.
Id have loved to of seen North Birmingham and the city centre in the 1920s.

So im going back to st Josephs tomorrow, I just hope someone can get their hand on a map for me, as no one ever answers the phone.
quick one aswell the uploads I put on yesterday of the burial records. On Felice and Angelina's it does list a John and Luigi as sons, are those the names you read? if so ill add to my tree as I think that will complete their children.
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I am not sure they have Sunday Mass any more.
It looks as if they have a vigil Mass on Saturday and a prayer service on Friday. The priest is listed as serving there and St Vincent de Paul .
 
pjmburns said:
I am not sure they have Sunday Mass any more.
It looks as if they have a vigil Mass on Saturday and a prayer service on Friday. The priest is listed as serving there and St Vincent de Paul .
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Ah right that sounds correct as we spoke to the priest and he said he serves two churches. We will go anyway and have a look.
 
If you can find gravestones they should have the plot number on them (usually at the back on standing stones). The plots will go in order. I had to use that and count to find a grave Yardley which had no stone.
It might help.
 
pjmburns said:
If you can find gravestones they should have the plot number on them (usually at the back on standing stones). The plots will go in order. I had to use that and count to find a grave Yardley which had no stone.
It might help.
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Ahhh thanks for that I didn't realise the numbers would be on the back. Will help definitely with counting as im not hopeful they have a headstone but could be wrong.
 
Suzanneiom said:
Ahhh thanks for that I didn't realise the numbers would be on the back. Will help definitely with counting as im not hopeful they have a headstone but could be wrong.
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Just thought. I assume it is the same for churchyard as council cemeteries. I am fairly sure my grandparents stone has a number. . Hope it's so.
 
So we got there early this morning and a mass was about to start, they really wanted us to attend, so we did. It was an experience as I haven’t been to a catholic mass for quite some time.

Afterwards, I said we need the map, and afew people asked around thinking they could just bring me a copy, but no the map is old and quite large. So our details were taken and the plot and sections we have and they will get someone to use the map and locate exactly where they are in the churchyard.

We did have another look round and really got into some of the tall grass but nothing as of yet.

They do seem to think there will be a headstone so that would be amazing if so.

I also found out that at that church they don’t do multiple burials in one grave of random people which is good to know.

So even though there’s no rush, I really would like to know asap where they are :)
 
Yes today 9:45am. :) we shall go once a month now. The priest was very nice. He danced at the end with a drum which was entertaining lol.
 

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Looking at the Iommi's that came to Bham and their descendants there's an interesting progression which may be true of many early immigrants.

All the first generation married other Italians or Italian immigrants, and in most cases possibly returning to Italy to do so.
The majority of the second generation (Iommis and Musticones) also married Italians or Italian immigrants though mostly in the country they're living in.
But when it comes to the third generation (Iommis, Musticones and Secondinis) there appear to be just 2 instances despite there being more of them.
 
MWS said:
Looking at the Iommi's that came to Bham and their descendants there's an interesting progression which may be true of many early immigrants.

All the first generation married other Italians or Italian immigrants, and in most cases possibly returning to Italy to do so.
The majority of the second generation (Iommis and Musticones) also married Italians or Italian immigrants though mostly in the country they're living in.
But when it comes to the third generation (Iommis, Musticones and Secondinis) there appear to be just 2 instances despite there being more of them.
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Yes I guess that's how the Italian genes have got weaker. My dad is half Italian and looks it. On my ancestry DNA im 28% .
My grandad spoke fluent Italian, but my dad and all his sisters didn't, but then my grandad and his brother married English women.


I got my great grandmothers death certificate today. Maria pomppa. She married Giuseppe. She is not buried at st Josephs, so I still don't know where she is. It said on her death certificate widow of Joseph iommi. It not Joseph its Giuseppe. there's so many typos on important documents. Its also said she lived at Gervais terrace booth street in Handsworth. Ive looked it up but its not longer there.
 
I was back at st Josephs today but the guy who took my details is on holiday for another week. We had a more in-depth look round the churchyard, but its a needle in a haystack. So I have to wait, although im so impatient, do you think there's anywhere else I can access the map?
 
The only other places I can think off would be the Library of Bham or the Catholic Archives at St Chad's but I'd doubt even those.
 
I remember Naomi from st chads saying they do not have a copy of the map.
so there's one family member who is not at st Josephs which is Maria, I received her death certificate and it says in the district of Handsworth, and that's where she lived. Any idea of anymore catholic churches with cemeteries? there can't be many more left now around that area.
 
Suzanneiom said:
I remember Naomi from st chads saying they do not have a copy of the map.
so there's one family member who is not at st Josephs which is Maria, I received her death certificate and it says in the district of Handsworth, and that's where she lived. Any idea of anymore catholic churches with cemeteries? there can't be many more left now around that area.
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does the death cert give an exact address if not do you know what the address was

lyn
 
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