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Iommi family

MWS said:
Ok, not sure she'd have a reason to lie but without seeing it for myself or finding something to corroborate it there would always be a doubt

A much cheaper option would be to purchase the possible marriage certificate for them in Bham 1900, though would you learn as much from
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I never thought of doing this. It will have both sets of parents on wont it? Ok I’ll purchase this today. Also might have a ride up to the Oscott cemetery. It’s takes a good half an hour from me, all the way up by Sutton.
 
pjmburns said:
As far as I am aware burials at St Peters ceased in the late 1800s so not likely to be of use.

From newspaper article about the exhumations
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Have just emailed Olton Friary again - found a dfferent email address so fingers crossed.
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I think we can place Eleuterio Iommi firmly in the family with the attached records from St Michael's Catholic Church in Moor Street. A baptism on 24 March 1904 of Carmine Musticone (b. 16 March 1904) gives the parents as Luigi Masticone and his wife Maria (nee Iommi). The godparents were named as Eleuterio Iommi and Eleanora Nardone. A couple of months later Eleuterio and Eleanora were married at the same church and the record names Eleuterio's father as Felix (Felice). The child Carmine had a short life - he was run over and killed at the age of 2 by a horse drawn tramcar on the corner of Duddeston Row and Bartholomew Street. He was buried in Witton.
 

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Great, that would certainly suggest that Eleuterio was the son of Felice and Angelina, and the brother of Giuseppe and Giovanni.
 
pjmburns said:
Oscott cemetery is quite large you may need to check if there will be someone to help you search.
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will it be difficult even with the section and plot. Im bringing my two teenagers so I will make it an incentive for whoever finds it first :)
Brasscaster said:
I think we can place Eleuterio Iommi firmly in the family with the attached records from St Michael's Catholic Church in Moor Street. A baptism on 24 March 1904 of Carmine Musticone (b. 16 March 1904) gives the parents as Luigi Masticone and his wife Maria (nee Iommi). The godparents were named as Eleuterio Iommi and Eleanora Nardone. A couple of months later Eleuterio and Eleanora were married at the same church and the record names Eleuterio's father as Felix (Felice). The child Carmine had a short life - he was run over and killed at the age of 2 by a horse drawn tramcar on the corner of Duddeston Row and Bartholomew Street. He was buried in Witton.
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Firstly this is amazing, I did have suspicions Eluterio maybe one of Felices children. I have a cousin on ancestry where Eluterio is her great grandad so this is where he fits in to my tree. They have now added an E on to iommie
she doesn't know why this happened.

Really sad reading the article about Carmine Musticone. so he is the sibling on Maria L musticone. I will add it all on.
 
can anyone clarify this, Maria Iommi relation of Felice married into the musticones, so she and all their children became that surname. Then the one daughter gets married back into the Iommi family to (frank)
were Maria and frank related? Im guessing so, as (frank/francesco is listed as Felice cousin
Its hard to get my head around it
 
We can only assume so, though it seems unlikely that he was Felice's cousin with a nearly 50 year gap. The relationship may be a little more complicated, a cousin to his children maybe?

Which could possibly mean he was a cousin once removed from both his wife and Felice but in different directions.
 
MWS said:
We can only assume so, though it seems unlikely that he was Felice's cousin with a nearly 50 year gap. The relationship may be a little more complicated, a cousin to his children maybe?

Which could possibly mean he was a cousin once removed from both his wife and Felice but in different directions.
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Yes I thought it could be possible his dads sons, son, there for would be a cousin with an age gap
 
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It appears that Eleuterio had another son also named Carmen in Dec 1906 with his new wife Rosae Ceroni. Note that in the attached baptismal record, one of the maternal godparents is Angela Quadrini. The priest's note in the margin 'domi in penculo mortis' translates as 'at home in the shadow of death'. Eleuterio was certainly having a tough few years.
 

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I'm confused again. The child in the articles in post 213 has the surname Musticone. Parents are Luigi and Maria (nee Iommi) Musticone. The baptism also names him as a Musticone.

The child baptised in 1906 has the surname Iommi and parents are Eleuterio and Rosa. But Eleuterio married Eleanora - so what happened to her and are these different families?
 
pjmburns said:
I'm confused again. The child in the articles in post 213 has the surname Musticone. Parents are Luigi and Maria (nee Iommi) Musticone. The baptism also names him as a Musticone.

The child baptised in 1906 has the surname Iommi and parents are Eleuterio and Rosa. But Eleuterio married Eleanora - so what happened to her and are these different families?
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Its all very confusing, but I think Eleuterio's wife Eleanora died in 1905Q1 at the age of 19. Eleuterio then fathered a child, Carmen Iommi, with Rosae Iommi (nee Ceroni) in Dec 1906 although I have not found a record for a second marriage.
 
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It appears that Eleuterio had another son also named Carmen in Dec 1906 with his new wife Rosae Ceroni. Note that in the attached baptismal record, one of the maternal godparents is Angela Quadrini. The priest's note in the margin 'domi in penculo mortis' translates as 'at home in the shadow of death'. Eleuterio was certainly having a tough few years.
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Very interesting all this Thankyou
 
Katelyn iommie has kindly let me look at her family tree. She is listed as a 2nd cousin 1x removed for me. Sorry not a great image. Eluterio died in 1917 - he was married to rose. He was Katelyns great grandad.
 

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Brasscaster said:
I think we can place Eleuterio Iommi firmly in the family with the attached records from St Michael's Catholic Church in Moor Street. A baptism on 24 March 1904 of Carmine Musticone (b. 16 March 1904) gives the parents as Luigi Masticone and his wife Maria (nee Iommi). The godparents were named as Eleuterio Iommi and Eleanora Nardone. A couple of months later Eleuterio and Eleanora were married at the same church and the record names Eleuterio's father as Felix (Felice). The child Carmine had a short life - he was run over and killed at the age of 2 by a horse drawn tramcar on the corner of Duddeston Row and Bartholomew Street. He was buried in Witton.
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The Story with the little boy, I Just noticed the name of the person driving the tramcar said Alfred Henry Foster. I have that person in my tree, Anthony iommi my grandad who married my nan violet Miles he is on her side of the family. He is my great grand uncle. now im wondering if it was him. In fact it couldn't be as he wasn't old enough.
 

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Rosa and a child left England for the US on the 31st Jul 1907 about 2 months after Eleuterio.

They are listed as Tommi on the UK Outward Passenger List and she is listed as Yonine on the Philadelphia Arrival Passenger List.

On the Philadelphia List it gives her parents address as Fox St.

Vitali Bruno listed on Carmen's baptism above is travelling with her.
 
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Thanks MWS - I hadn't got round to looking.

Entry from Ancestry
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The name of the hip is actually Merion I think.

Her age is given as 19 and no age for "infant"
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