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Iommi family

Suzanneiom said:
They have to be related because of the niece but as pjmburns said she could of just put that for ease. I have a father for Maria so it doesn't match Felice.
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on the 1911 my gt grandparents had 4 children and put they had been married for 10 years but in fact they did not marry until 1910 so a face saving white lie...happens a lot so its a lesson when researching not to believe everything that is written down and think outside the box

lyn
 
Suzanneiom said:
yes I ordered a digital copy of her death certificate this morning and it says married to Giuseppe iommi (artist model)
its sad reading her medical notes :( she was a dressmaker.
as they alll lived on the same street,im now trying to find out how the two giuseppes were related, I know they were close as from same place in Italy and came over together. But absolutely no record of Giuseppe (artist model death)
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yes very sad...reading the death cert would that be she died from the spanish flu as so many did at that time

lyn
 
Astoness said:
yes very sad...reading the death cert would that be she died from the spanish flu as so many did at that time

lyn
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When I ran it through AI it said died from complications post influenza. So if the Spanish flu was around then it was probably that. Her medical notes from All Saints were very sad too.

So if they lied on the census what would be the reason, if they did?
 
I have checked the Mail in June 1966 for death notice for Lucia (based on the dates of the 2 notices I posted earlier). Cannot find a death notice which I would have expected and in those days most funerals seemed to take place fairly soon after death.
 
Suzanneiom said:
So if they lied on the census what would be the reason, if they did?
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The main lie on censuses is people saying they were married when they weren't. Sometimes they subsequently married and sometimes they didn't. And sometimes one or both were still married to someone else.

Illegitimate children taking the name of their step father, if you would call that a lie.

Lying about the number of years you were married usually is done to suggest that the couple were married before the eldest child living with them was born, that child may be theirs or the illegitimate child of the wife.

They may lie about their name because they are in trouble with the law or again because one, probably the husband in this case, is married to someone else.

Also, sometimes, the census is wrong because of an honest mistake. Not understanding what's being asked of them. On the 1911 census the answers to the 'Children born alive to present Marriage' questions are often wrong.
 
MWS said:
The main lie on censuses is people saying they were married when they weren't. Sometimes they subsequently married and sometimes they didn't. And sometimes one or both were still married to someone else.

Illegitimate children taking the name of their step father, if you would call that a lie.

Lying about the number of years you were married usually is done to suggest that the couple were married before the eldest child living with them was born, that child may be theirs or the illegitimate child of the wife.

They may lie about their name because they are in trouble with the law or again because one, probably the husband in this case, is married to someone else.

Also, sometimes, the census is wrong because of an honest mistake. Not understanding what's being asked of them. On the 1911 census the answers to the 'Children born alive to present Marriage' questions are often wrong
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Thanks for that, really interesting, I guess they may have mis understood some things english being their second language.
 
I can't remember if I said the I had found the marriage for Maria Iommi (listed as Tommi) and Luigi Masticone - 2 Dec 1895 in Sora, Frosinone. His parents are listed but sadly hers aren't.

However, there is a marriage for an Anna Iommi (listed as Tomma) to a Giovambattista di Pucchia - 6 Nov 1893 also in Sora, Frosinone. Her parents are listed and they are Felice Iommi and Angela Quadrilli.
 
MWS said:
I can't remember if I said the I had found the marriage for Maria Iommi (listed as Tommi) and Luigi Masticone - 2 Dec 1895 in Sora, Frosinone. His parents are listed but sadly hers aren't.

However, there is a marriage for an Anna Iommi (listed as Tomma) to a Giovambattista di Pucchia - 6 Nov 1893 also in Sora, Frosinone. Her parents are listed and they are Felice Iommi and Angela Quadrilli.
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omg so your theory was right. so she married Luigi and became a musticone so ill add that to my tree.
Then a Maria Musticoni married an Iommi in 1915 his name is Francesco, but I think listed as frengo
/frank.

Thankyou for the second one, I have no other children for Felice and Angelina other than Giuseppe and Giovanni so I will add her. Do you think they stayed in sora?
 
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I would think it likely.

Have you used "Family Search"? They seem to have quite a few Italian records.
It is a free site although you need to register. I'm still learning my way round it.

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Difficult to say, the records are just not available. There doesn't seem to be any baptisms for children.

Also don't forget that Luigi and Maria Masticone went to South America before coming to Birmingham. For all we know they may have gone with them and stayed there or died on the voyage over, or back.
 
MWS said:
Difficult to say, the records are just not available. There doesn't seem to be any baptisms for children.

Also don't forget that Luigi and Maria Masticone went to South America before coming to Birmingham. For all we know they may have gone with them and stayed there or died on the voyage over, or back.
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Now that you've said that about South America it makes sense as I have some DNA matches of iommis in America.. So its possible some stayed. The girl ive spoke to in America who is an Iommi , hers is spelt iommie the e was added but she doesn't know why.

I was trying to work out in my head, so a Maria Iommi married into the musticone family (Luigi), then one of their children Maria L Musticone married an Iommi ..... (Francesco) which is strange isn't it
 
pjmburns said:
I would think it likely.

Have you used "Family Search"? They seem to have quite a few Italian records.
It is a free site although you need to register. I'm still learning my way round it.

FamilySearch.org

Discover your family history. Explore the world’s largest collection of free family trees, genealogy records and resources.
www.familysearch.org www.familysearch.org
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I don't think ive ever used this one :) Ill take a look. I found a historian in Italy (sora) who looked at my tree last year and said most other records are over in Italy and there are no digital copies here on ancestry or anywhere. She said she could finish the tree for me as she is able to access records. So I am surprised that you've been able to find the ones above. Im thinking of getting one over here to just locate the burials if all else fails. :))
 
In post 164 you put Luigi and Maria went to S Anerica. Have I missed something?
Also just realised Frank (Francesco) is married to a Mary born in Staffs not a Maria
 
pjmburns said:
In post 164 you put Luigi and Maria went to S Anerica. Have I missed something?
Also just realised Frank (Francesco) is married to a Mary born in Staffs not a Maria
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My understding is a Maria Iommi married luigi Musticoni,that Maria could of been Felice sister or even Daughter

we also have a Maria Musticoni their daughter who married back into the Iommi family (Francesco) and had about 23 children together
his name is often typed as Frank, Its tricky to get your head around it
 
Suzanneiom said:
I don't think ive ever used this one :) Ill take a look. I found a historian in Italy (sora) who looked at my tree last year and said most other records are over in Italy and there are no digital copies here on ancestry or anywhere. She said she could finish the tree for me as she is able to access records. So I am surprised that you've been able to find the ones above. Im thinking of getting one over here to just locate the burials if all else fails. :))
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Just a personal opinion but I wouldn't waste my money on a historian to find the burials. If the burials were Catholic then the records will still be closed and despite what your email from Midland Ancestors said I'd say that there is only an outside chance that they weren't buried in Bham.

Records are being made available all the time so I wouldn't give up hope but sometimes you just hit a brick wall.
 
MWS said:
Just a personal opinion but I wouldn't waste my money on a historian to find the burials. If the burials were Catholic then the records will still be closed and despite what your email from Midland Ancestors said I'd say that there is only an outside chance that they weren't buried in Bham.

Records are being made available all the time so I wouldn't give up hope but sometimes you just hit a brick wall.
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really? ok... yes Ive hit the brick wall a few times now. I feel like the tree has come together well now though with everyones help :))
 
MWS said:
Just a personal opinion but I wouldn't waste my money on a historian to find the burials. If the burials were Catholic then the records will still be closed and despite what your email from Midland Ancestors said I'd say that there is only an outside chance that they weren't buried in Bham.

Records are being made available all the time so I wouldn't give up hope but sometimes you just hit a brick wall.
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i agree with you mark...i am still holding for burials at st josephs

lyn
 
pjmburns said:
In post 164 you put Luigi and Maria went to S Anerica. Have I missed something?
Also just realised Frank (Francesco) is married to a Mary born in Staffs not a Maria
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Frank Musticone was born in Brazil married a girl from Wolverhampton.

Frank Iommi married his sister, Maria Louisa Musticone, who was also born in Brazil.

According to the 1921 census.
 
Suzanneiom said:
really? ok... yes Ive hit the brick wall a few times now. I feel like the tree has come together well now though with everyones help :))
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Sadly brick walls are inevitable.

In regards your list of the children of Frank Iommi and Maria Musticone - post #119. It seems improbable that Adolfo was their son.

His dob was 7 Jul 1924 whilst Luigiuccia/Laura's was 12 Oct 1923 and Peter's was 22 Dec 1924.

Unless I'm missing something.
 
MWS said:
Sadly brick walls are inevitable.

In regards your list of the children of Frank Iommi and Maria Musticone - post #119. It seems improbable that Adolfo was their son.

His dob was 7 Jul 1924 whilst Luigiuccia/Laura's was 12 Oct 1923 and Peter's was 22 Dec 1924.

Unless I'm missing something.
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Yes there was
Frank
Maragret
Peter
Michael
Gilda
Elvira
Maria
Alphonso
Adolfo
Gene
Rosalini
Winfred
Joseph
Are the ones I have :))
 
Also Giuseppe the artists model he came over with his parents at 15 , he was born 1882 who are his parents?

Francesco iommi lived with Felice before he met Maria who were his parents…

They were all very close to live houses apart and all work at the same shop 81 high street.
Just food for thought .
 
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