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Hybrid & electric cars

mw0njm. said:
A proposed £0.03 per mile (3 pence) tax on electric vehicles (EVs) in the UK is being considered by the government to offset lost fuel duty revenue
. The tax is intended to be introduced in 2028 and would be collected as part of the annual Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) process, with drivers estimating their mileage for the year.

  • Rate: £0.03 per mile for electric vehicles.
  • Reason: To replace the revenue lost as more drivers switch to EVs and no longer pay fuel duty.
  • Proposed Start Date: 2028.
  • Implementation:
    • It would be integrated into the existing annual VED system.
    • Drivers would estimate their mileage for the year and pay in advance.
    • The balance would be adjusted in the following year if they drove more or fewer miles than estimated.
  • Impact:
    • It could cost an average EV driver around £250 a year.
    • A UK journey from London to Edinburgh could cost an extra £12.
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I think that the .03 will increase before it is implemented.
 
Dinger said:
Done the maths - Obviously it depends on what mpg you get out of your car - Tax on every litre is just just under 53 pence (52.95) (that's not including VAT) - I reckon that if you're getting 40 mpg from your car you'll be paying about £5.80 petrol tax every 100 miles.
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And I can’t imagine they would not equal that with an EV tax of some sort. If they don’t it will create a substantial ££££ shortfall.
 
I've been driving EVs now for seven years, it's been a good inexpensive ride but it was inevitable to me at the start that sooner or later the tax bomb would arrive. All speculation at the moment probably hinted at by the chancellor to make it less of a shock when/if it happens.
 
Eric Gibson said:
I've been driving EVs now for seven years, it's been a good inexpensive ride but it was inevitable to me at the start that sooner or later the tax bomb would arrive. All speculation at the moment probably hinted at by the chancellor to make it less of a shock when/if it happens.
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I think you are correct: for the tax people, it’s an opportunity not to be missed. Where we live in TN electricity is inexpensive (nuclear & hydro) and very low taxes. The cost of charging is creeping up and a tax is in place by the state for road use on EVs. Many charging stations charge 3% for credit card use. All of these were not there 5 or 10 years ago infiact most charging was free. We don’t drive EVs but are waiting for a hybrid!
 
mw0njm. said:
A proposed £0.03 per mile (3 pence) tax on electric vehicles (EVs) in the UK is being considered by the government to offset lost fuel duty revenue
. A UK journey from London to Edinburgh could cost an extra £12.
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And how many times would one have to stop & recharge between London & Edinburgh?
 
You would likely need to stop
once or twice to charge between London and Edinburgh, which is roughly 400 miles. The number of stops depends on your specific EV's range and charging speed, but even with a longer-range model, one stop is often needed. A good strategy is to plan for more frequent, shorter charges of 15-25 minutes to a roughly 60-80% charge, as this is the fastest charging period


zero Carbon World has set a new electric vehicle charging record after driving from John O’Groats to Lands End with only 1 hour, 32 minutes and 32 seconds of charging. The entire trip in the Tesla Model 3 Performance vehicle took 15 hours and 32 minutes with charging stops made at only 4 locations: Perth, Gretna Green, Cullompton and a Tesla Supercharger in Staffordshire. The team drove 855.2 miles which beats current Guinness World Records for both the shortest charging time and the shortest time in an EV.

and aout £36 tax@3p a mile:mad:
 
mw0njm. said:
if i bought one it would have to be a A hybrid i dont fancy getting stuck on a mountain with a flat ev bat:(
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I have a ‘weak’ hybrid where the battery is charged by the car, and is only good for a couple of miles on its own. The engine is 2.5 litres petrol, without a turbo. The electric motor part switches on if I give the car a bit of wellie, and acts as a fairly instant turbo to help the engine. Otherwise the car tends to pull away on electric, and the rear motor comes on as well at the same time. The engine starts up as I get going. The rear motor comes on as necessary if the ground is a bit slippery, and also during enthusiastic cornering. The mpg economy comes going downhill, when the engine shuts off and gravity charges the battery by the motor being used backwards as a generator. The battery also grabs a bit of energy during light braking. A big advantage is that the car management system won’t allow the battery to run out of energy, so I won’t get stuck on a mountain unless I run out of fuel. The biggest thing that I had to get used to was the engine stopping and starting as it felt like it, and pulling away silently. Now I just let it do as it sees fit.

Andrew.
 
Brummie a long time ago said:
I have a ‘weak’ hybrid where the battery is charged by the car, and is only good for a couple of miles on its own. The engine is 2.5 litres petrol, without a turbo. The electric motor part switches on if I give the car a bit of wellie, and acts as a fairly instant turbo to help the engine. Otherwise the car tends to pull away on electric, and the rear motor comes on as well at the same time. The engine starts up as I get going. The rear motor comes on as necessary if the ground is a bit slippery, and also during enthusiastic cornering. The mpg economy comes going downhill, when the engine shuts off and gravity charges the battery by the motor being used backwards as a generator. The battery also grabs a bit of energy during light braking. A big advantage is that the car management system won’t allow the battery to run out of energy, so I won’t get stuck on a mountain unless I run out of fuel. The biggest thing that I had to get used to was the engine stopping and starting as it felt like it, and pulling away silently. Now I just let it do as it sees fit.

Andrew.
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i had a VW BlueMotion what a wierd setup,the starter batt and bits cost a furtune so i sold the car

would not mind a outlander hybrid
 
I've got a 2020 Renault Zoe EV it has a claimed range of 240 miles but realistically probably 190 in most conditions so the London to Edinburgh would need maybe two stop to top up but that doesn't mean it's just a charging stop there's eating and emptying the bladder to consider also.
I don't think many drivers go 400 miles without food and a pee.
 

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Eric Gibson said:
I've got a 2020 Renault Zoe EV it has a claimed range of 240 miles but realistically probably 190 in most conditions so the London to Edinburgh would need maybe two stop to top up but that doesn't mean it's just a charging stop there's eating and emptying the bladder to consider also.
I don't think many drivers go 400 miles without food and a pee.
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14 miles and i stop to see to the plumbing:)
 
Eric Gibson said:
I've got a 2020 Renault Zoe EV it has a claimed range of 240 miles but realistically probably 190 in most conditions so the London to Edinburgh would need maybe two stop to top up but that doesn't mean it's just a charging stop there's eating and emptying the bladder to consider also.
I don't think many drivers go 400 miles without food and a pee.
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I’m lucky if I can go two hours at a time, with replacement hips and knees they recommend stopping and walking around every two hours so that’s the reason!
 
i use Dacia Duster off rd 4x4 1.5 its very good i would not mind a

the Dacia Duster hybrid 140 uses a 1.6-litre petrol engine. This is classed as a full hybrid, intelligently switching between electric, petrol, and hybrid drive modes​


they are not that bad so dont laugh
 
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mw0njm. said:
i use Dacia Duster off rd 4x4 1.5 its very good i would not mind a

he Dacia Duster hybrid 140 uses a 1.6-litre petrol engine. This is classed as a full hybrid, intelligently switching between electric, petrol, and hybrid drive modes​


they are not that bad so dont laugh
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Looks pretty good to me!
 
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