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what a waist of dosh i think. totaly destroying loverly village
I sure hope they got this right! There is no backing up on this one!what a waist of dosh i think. totaly destroying loverly village
Houses boarded up and trees chopped down as HS2 ...
last i heard from a friend living close by they have changed ther mind. its a bit late now me thinks now all the damage has been doneI sure hope they got this right! There is no backing up on this one!
thanks Alberta. i loved water orton.living not far from you it was a loverly walk down bham rd to my girls house.in plank lane. my friend phoned me xmas day and told me what was going on. i feel sorry for the folks who have lived there all there lives,and was kicked out of there homes. no other way i can put that.the forest has now gone,wildlife killed.just so someone can make dosh.it makes me wana screeeeeeeeem.It is heartbreaking to drive through there and the area around the NEC.
It is a desolate desert landscape.
We are told we have to save our planet and that deforestation is to blame for climate change, yet thousands of ancient trees have been sacrificed to make way for HS2.
The eastern section through Kingsbury , Measham ,Ashby de la Zouch etc, I believe has been shelved but whether that is for ever we will have to wait and see.
I never lived there but had an aunt and uncle that did and I visited often. Always a nice friendly town! As I got older I remember a very nice pub in the village ( my memory is failing me) that always seemed to be very busy! Sad!!!thanks Alberta. i loved water orton.living not far from you it was a loverly walk down bham rd to my girls house.in plank lane. my friend phoned me xmas day and told me what was going on. i feel sorry for the folks who have lived there all there lives,and was kicked out of there homes. no other way i can put that.the forest has now gone,wildlife killed.just so someone can make dosh.it makes me wana screeeeeeeeem.
the dog and the digby.pubs we used themI never lived there but had an aunt and uncle that did and I visited often. Always a nice friendly town! As I got older I remember a very nice pub in the village ( my memory is failing me) that always seemed to be very busy! Sad!!!
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Back in the day I don’t remember being called a BIKER just somebody with a BSA or Triumph and a silver helmet!It was the Dog at Water Orton that used to attract a lot of bikers, me being one of them
Heartland, thank you for that background some I knew and a great deal I did not. I am a follower of Messers Stephenson, Brunel, Boulton Watt Murdoch et al and what they achieved. Watching from a distance it is a different time and day with a different population and density. While I consider myself a change agent it seems that HS2 is not the right solution for many reasons. It is more of the same on a larger scale, and things are not the same. I was fortunate many years ago to attend graduate school with Dr E Demming, a famous strategic thinker who after WWII helped Japanese industry develop at extremely high quality and performance levels because those in the West US & UK would not listen. In one of his first classes which was attended by senior manufacturing and engineering management he said “if it’s not the same it’s differant”, this is not the same and should be different. I believe it’s more than a bigger faster train.Having said that I am hopeful that it succeeds both strategically and financially. The signals from far away are not clear or positive on both counts!I personally am trying to find out if the cost of HS 2 phase 1 is rising compared to the present estimate published in October of a target set at £40 billion. Phase 2a is set at between £5-7 billion presently
Meanwhile work has been started by three tunnel boring machines so far (out of 10) and also the cut and cover so called green tunnels.
In the history of railway transport, there seems to be the most strongest organised opposition ever yet staged continues to battle to stop the HS 2 project. It is as if all the descendants of the Marquis of Chandos and the former Greenham Common protestors have united in a common cause.
For those unsure of who the Marquis was- he was a person who amongst others stopped the progress of the 1832 London and Birmingham Bill through Parliament at the House of Lords committee stage. One of Chandos's causes was the rights of the Turnpike and the stage coach proprietors who would loose business to the new railway. The London and Birmingham Railway Bill was passed the next year, however and the project was completed in 1838. Much of that original track line is in use today with trains travelling at speeds that George & Robert Stephenson could hardly contemplate. But the route is basically that of the Robert Stephenson design.
There are those that have argued that transport in the 21st century deserves a better type of railway and hence the promotion of HS 2. We already have a HS 1 that links the Channel Tunnel with London St Pancras. It seems that construction had an easier ride from protesters. Also, how many protested against Crossrail, which is STILL unfinished.
As HS 2 phase 1 now takes on the form of a linear construction site, no doubt more will protest. But in 19th Century Britain as the railway network was developed there was much more disruption. There was evidently a greater acceptance and many derived employment from the works as each line was made and afterwards there was employment in different forms in the transport line. Then as now there were those dispossessed from homes and work places.
With the time of Beeching a host of railway lines were closed and communities thrown back into a public transport isolation and whilst HS2 promises speed from a few principal places their remains the conventional rail links to these select stations. When HS 2 is complete will a different type of railway travelling become the normal practice? Even now and since October 2021 there is the train operator Lumo who runs trains from Edinburgh to Kings Cross with the latest 803 Hitachi electric trains calling at only a few intermediate locations.
MWS, your assumption assumes there would be income. This seems to be in question under the current situation.I can imagine the income from Manchester/Leeds to Bham would be just a fraction of the Bham to London.
So theoretically it would be earning while being finished.
Well said! I don’t remember much of that but I clearly thinking why didn’t the M1include the second biggest city in the realm? I only used it a few times in the early days but……well I won’t say anymore Spargone said it well!I don't doubt the commercial logic but if Leeds - Birmingham had been completed first Birmingham - London would have certainly followed. Starting from London the distant destinations were always going to be at risk.
Older members will recall that the M1 never got to go to Birmingham, stopping at the M45 spur. When the M1 was extended 'London' forgot that 'Birmingham/Coventry' might like to go North too, M1/M45 being a fork in the road not a 'delta' which, so far, is still planned for HS2. (Does anyone really want to do Birmingham - Manchester, let's chop that delta link, they can always change trains in London!).
Is the toll cottage being retained, if it is is, a few quid from Hs2 to help preserve its historical base would be good.Just read that the Saltley viaduct built 1895 is being demolished to make way for HS2, it used to be a toll road, the toll cottage being at the junction of Saltley High street and Washwood Heath Road.
They have started to clear the land almost under the M6 on the Newport road towards Castle Vale in preparation for a tunnel.