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Hope Lodge, Edgbaston

Unfortunately they cant give me information due GDP

Unfortunately they cant give me information due to GDPR
Kind regards irene
have to say i am surprised at that considering that your mom is deceased and you are her next of kin..i dont know if they told you how long you would have to wait but even if they have a 100 year closure on info you should be able to obtain it in 2037

lyn
 
have to say i am surprised at that considering that your mom is deceased and you are her next of kin..i dont know if they told you how long you would have to wait but even if they have a 100 year closure on info you should be able to obtain it in 2037

lyn
My dad was her next of kin so I dont know how it would work now as he passed away..it is quite frustrating thinking you are getting somewhere then you hit a brick wall
Irene
 
My dad was her next of kin so I dont know how it would work now as he passed away..it is quite frustrating thinking you are getting somewhere then you hit a brick wall
Irene
as your dad has passed away then you and any other of your siblings would become next of kin..without you giving us more info i dont think we can help you..for instance as you do know the name of your moms mom you could go on ancestry (you have to pay to use it and view records) and check the 1939 eve of war register to see where she was living and if anyone else was living with her...i could check for you but i would need your moms moms name and the address she was living at when she gave birth...

lyn
 
as your dad has passed away then you and any other of your siblings would become next of kin..without you giving us more info i dont think we can help you..for instance as you do know the name of your moms mom you could go on ancestry (you have to pay to use it and view records) and check the 1939 eve of war register to see where she was living and if anyone else was living with her...i could check for you but i would need your moms moms name and the address she was living at when she gave birth...

lyn
Thank you my partner is doing all the searching,you have just give me something I can give him
Thank you very much,I will update you if we manage to get anywhere
Kind regards Irene
 
Unfortunately my partner cant find anything else of my mother or her mother, except for the information in the 1939 register and my mothers birth and death certificate, I have attached the clipping from my mothers birth certificate but as you can see its not the easiest to read,
this is what we make of the writing on the clipping see below and attachment.
The only letters that we are struggling to read is the "C" for cecilia and the address "Bexley" If anyone else reading this sees anything other than that, your help would be appreciated
when and where bornName, if anySexName,surname and maiden surname of motherSignature, description and resident of informantwhen registeredsignature of registrar
fifteenth
november
1937
Hope Lodge
Edgbaston
Patricia
Irene
GirlCecilia Irene
Harper
a knitting machinist
of 17 Bexley Road
Kingstanding
Birmingham
C I Harper
Mother
Hope Lodge
Edgbaston
Birmingham
twenty
first
december
1937
J W Ardish
 

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hi irene as you have now found your mom on the 1939 register at least you know who she was living with and where (as you suspected she was with another family and not with her birth mother) no need for me to post you the info as you already have it...its a start

lyn
 
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hi irene as you have now found your mom on the 1939 register at least you know who she was living with and where (as you suspected she was with another family and not with her birth mother) no need for me to post you the info as you already have it...its a start

lyn
Ok didn't know if you would find more thats why my partner attached information,we knew she was there age 2 but we dont know what the place was as in care home foster home etc.anyway thank you all the same take care irene
 
bit confused irene..can you confirm that you know from the 1939 reg the name of the family your mom was living with when she was 2 and that she lived at 74 alwold road weoley castle..? this was just a normal house and is still there...click on link below for todays street view ..no 74 is the house to the left of the one with the white fence


lyn
 
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As Lyn says 74 Alwold Road is an ordinary house. So I suspect she was being fostered.
It looks as if she married as Patricia I Harper in 1967 to James Salmons (surname from 1939 reg). The fact she was still Harper suggests to me that she wasn't adopted.
 
hi irene further to my last post...have you found the records on ancestry that show 2 bastardy court orders ..one on 22 april 1938 where cecilia was the defendant and clarence leonard hines was the complainant.. the other on 23rd of march 1938 where cecilia was the complainant and clarence was the defendant ? i am only guessing but this looks like clarence could have been your moms father

lyn
 
I have no idea where the Bexley Road address fits in but in 1936/37 eroll there is a Cecelia Harper living in the Girls Hostel (St Josephs) in Princip Street. I wonder if this is just a coincidence or not?

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bit confused irene..can you confirm that you know from the 1939 reg the name of the family your mom was living with when she was 2 and that she lived at 74 alwold road weoley castle..? this was just a normal house and is still there...click on link below for todays street view ..no 74 is the house to the left of the one with the white fence


lyn

As Lyn says 74 Alwold Road is an ordinary house. So I suspect she was being fostered.
It looks as if she married as Patricia I Harper in 1967 to James Salmons (surname from 1939 reg). The fact she was still Harper suggests to me that she wasn't adopted.

hi irene further to my last post...have you found the records on ancestry that show 2 bastardy court orders ..one on 22 april 1938 where cecilia was the defendant and clarence leonard hines was the complainant.. the other on 23rd of march 1938 where cecilia was the complainant and clarence was the defendant ? i am only guessing but this looks like clarence could have been your moms father

lyn

I have no idea where the Bexley Road address fits in but in 1936/37 eroll there is a Cecelia Harper living in the Girls Hostel (St Josephs) in Princip Street. I wonder if this is just a coincidence or not?

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In 1937 17 Bexley Road has an Archibald Robert Whitehead listed on the eroll.
By 1938 it was Albert and Ada Hunt
Thank you for your replies, I have just seen them, and yes we realise that 74 alwold road is a normal house and that my mom wasnt adopted as her name only changed when she got married to my father in 1967, we didnt find anything about cecilia this is news to us, we did a lot of searching on find my past and myheritage but didnt come accross any of this information will look into this and again thank you for all your help
regards
Irene
 
hi irene further to my last post...have you found the records on ancestry that show 2 bastardy court orders ..one on 22 april 1938 where cecilia was the defendant and clarence leonard hines was the complainant.. the other on 23rd of march 1938 where cecilia was the complainant and clarence was the defendant ? i am only guessing but this looks like clarence could have been your moms father

lyn
Hi is it possible for you to send an attachment about the court please I havnt seen any of it..I appreciate help thanks very much

Regards irene
 
in case you dont have this as they are only on ancestry here is the 1929 marriage cert for clarence leonard hines so if as i suspect he is you moms father he was a married man who turned away from his responsibilities and your moms mom had no one to turn to for support and with the onset of ww2 she would have found things very hard. on the 1939 eve of war census he is living with his wife and what looks like his mother... clarence marr cert.png
 
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in case you dont have this here is the 1929 marriage cert for clarence leonard hines so if as i suspect he is you moms father he was a married man who turned away from his responsibilities and your moms mom had no one to turn to for support and with the onset of ww2 she would have found things very hard. on the 1939 eve of war census he is living with his wife and what looks like his mother... View attachment 212161
Wow...i have no words...my partner is looking into all this..thank you irene
 
happy to help irene..clarence died in 1948 aged 45 and is buried at witton cemetery..

lyn
Thank you,feeling quite emotional at the moment,if this is the right people I feel very angry with him,also im wondering if he had any other child after my mum she was born 1937 as that would mean they may still be alive

Irene
 
Thank you,feeling quite emotional at the moment,if this is the right people I feel very angry with him,also im wondering if he had any other child after my mum she was born 1937 as that would mean they may still be alive

Irene
i can understand that and i think a lot of us have had things like this happen..it was a totally different world back then with little or no support for single mothers and very often their families would disown them for falling pregnant not just as a single woman but the father being a married man...of course we can only guess this is what the circumstances were but looking at all the evidence including that clarence was taken to court for child maintenance its a good bet..the 1939 register shows no children but just to make sure we need to look for any hines children born from say 1929 to 1945 with mothers maiden name of lewsey..

lyn
 
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i can understand that and i think a lot of us have had things like this happen..it was a totally different world back then with little or no support for single mothers and very often their families would disown them for falling pregnant not just as a single woman but the father being a married man...of course we can only guess this is what the circumstances were but looking at all the evidence including that clarence was taken to court for child maintenance its a good bet..the 1939 register shows no children but just to make sure we need to look for any hines children born from say 1929 to 1945 with mothers maiden name of lewsey..

lyn
Appreciate what you are doing,would appreciate if you could have a search for us as my partner can only get little bits

Thanks irene
 
hi irene you should be able to search for any possible hines/lewsey births on find my past but i will have a look tomorrow for you...
lyn
 
hi irene you should be able to search for any possible hines/lewsey births on find my past but i will have a look tomorrow for you...
lyn
My partner has subscribed to ancestry for a month and is having a search,we found the court order he just going through things

Thank you for your help..it still would be appreciated if you wanted to have a look tomorrow

Kind regards irene
 
My partner has subscribed to ancestry for a month and is having a search,we found the court order he just going through things

Thank you for your help..it still would be appreciated if you wanted to have a look tomorrow

Kind regards irene
thats great irene...i will also take a look tomorrow at some point...

lyn
 
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