Help With Rellies Seamans Records

[pjmburns]

Just in case you want the transcript for the Wood Smith marriage

 

[Astoness]

thanks maurice i am totally overwhelmed by the help i have had...as i said in my email the names john and thomas run all the way through the woods family and i find it very strange that my two sons are called john and thomas...also it has just come to mind that my nan lily wood (moms mom)who had 3 daughters also gave birth to a son who died shortly after birth or was a stillborn and she named him john...its now looking as though the woods originated from heanor derbyshire ..then to leicester and by 1861 enos wood my gt gt grandad enos wood was in ladywood (he is my bigamist) i really need to get some practice on researching parish records as without the help from you and janice i would never have found all this out and a visit to st lawrences church is now a must for me as for certain i know that john wood is buried there and possibly his dad thomas...janice thank you for the transcript

lyn x

 

[sospiri]

Lyn,

Here's some more - the SMITHs had four kids all christened at Heanor long after they were born and on the same day 2 July 1828. You may think that this invalidates that Edward SMITH death in 1821, but not necessarily so. The occupation is given as Framework Knitter (FWK) which was generally carried out by women. And all the children were born before 1821. The details can be found in the Heanor Baptism Transcriptions on the Taghill site here:-
https://www.taghill.co.uk/ancestral/hsl_1816-1837/s.html
Timothy SMITH - born 11 March 1811
William SMITH - born 13 February 1814
Martha SMITH - born 5 August 1819
Amy SMITH - born 1 September 1816

Interesting - he died 5 miles away at Ripley (we think). Did he walk out on her? Another mystery or perhaps Janice can spot a flaw here too.

Need to try and find them on the censuses now.................

Maurice

 

[pjmburns]

I think that of the two John Wood's as per post #141 then only 1 is from Heanor. I am also not sure the 1782 one is a Wood - could be Hood - very difficult writing.

 

[Astoness]

maurice info on the smiths..re email you sent i thought edward smith died in heanor and wife millicent in ripley have i got that wrong..

 

[pjmburns]

Last one tonight. Smith baptism records (originals).

 

[Astoness]

oh thanks janice that is wonderful...great to know the occuption of edward as well...

 

[sospiri]

Lyn,

Sons Timothy and William Smith are still living in Heanor in 1841 Census, married & with kids.

Maurice

 

[Astoness]

thanks maurice i can go and find them then..

 

[sospiri]

Yes, Lyn, I'll look up the marriages, etc., tomorrow, if you don't get around to it first. I'm out all morning I expect.

Maurice

 

[Astoness]

Lyn,

Sons Timothy and William Smith are still living in Heanor in 1841 Census, married & with kids.

Maurice

found them both on the same page on the 41 maurice..both coal miners..marlpool heanor..

 

[sospiri]

Lyn,

The address for both is Marlpool, just south of Heanor.

Maurice

 

[Astoness]

morning maurice...cant seem to find tim or william yet on the 51 61 or 71 although i only looked quickly but i think ive got tim on the 81 at lee lane heanor age 69 widow..miner unable to work...have to go out this morning but will do a bit more later on

lyn

 

[pjmburns]

Hi Lyn - have also been out this morning. Next time I go to our local library I am going to see if I can borrow a book I saw on display (under genealogy) about "tracing your mining ancestors" - I filed it mentally under pending as my mining connection is only by a marriage of my Gran's sister (my Great Aunt). I did actually meet him - fascinated as a child because he had a dent in his head where he had been under a fall of coal at the pit face. I'll see if the book gives any hints on colliery records.

Now for your "Smiths" - of all the names!!

 

[sospiri]

I had a quick look for the SMITHs on the 1851 without success, but have just got back from doing numerous chores.

Maurice

 

[pjmburns]

Here goes. As far as I can tell Timothy married Eliza Fretwell 18 June 1832 - no original found at the moment but transcript attached. William married Ann Slack 3 Feb 1834 - again no original. Haven't found records for any of their children apart from Martha - again a transcript only. I am still looking for marriages for the girls.

 

[sospiri]

Agreed, Janice, I already had the FRETWELL late last night. I don't think there are any marriage images online. And SMITH is such a terrible name to research!

Maurice

 

[Astoness]

hi maurice and janice once again many thanks for all you help...janice thanks for the marr info...i was just sitting here wondering if william was a miner when he married a slack lol...sorry just my sense of humour that book sounds interesting hope you get it...the smith children are not really my direct line but its nice to have that bit of info about them..i would love to find the marriage of my 5x gt grandad thomas wood to an elizabeth...i have the bapt of their son john wood (4x gt grandad) dated 19th of april st lawrences heanor 1774

 

[sospiri]

Lyn,

I've already given you the only likely marriage trhat I can find to Elizabeth HANSON at Smalley, less than two miles from Heanor on 6th September 1862. Twins Sarah & Mary were born 17 July 1863 and an Elizabeth at Smalley on 2 February 1766. Remaining children appear to have been christened at Heanor. Is there a problem with this one? Post #141.

Maurice

 

[Astoness]

sorry maurice i said i couldnt keep up lol...just been back to post 141..i will now go and write down johns siblings...i am slowly coming to the conclusion that these woods of mine took over heanor really chuffed to have all this wonderful information ..i shall now write down all the events that took place at st lawrences church and there are loads so that when i visit the church i can go armed with all the info..will also be chasing up johns siblings as i may just get one or 2 of them on the 41 census with a lot of luck..

thanks maurice

lyn

 

[sospiri]

No problem, Lyn, but also see Janice's post #154 as that John in 1882 could be of another family. The image says "of Sipley", but there is no such place in Derbyshire - most likely Shipley, just over a mile south east of Heanor.

I'm having difficulty finding what happened to Timothy Smith after the 1881 Census - can't find him on subsequent censuses or his death. Too old for the military and unlikely to move abroad at 70. I've checked the newspaper libraries and nothing!

Maurice

 

[Astoness]

maurice later on i will see if i can find timothy smith as i only have him up to the 81...keeps me out of trouble...just

 

[sospiri]

That's definitely him in 1881, Lyn, and then he just disappears. I can't imagine him going to Scotland or Ireland at the age of 70. That just leaves "unknown man drowns in canal or falls down a mineshaft". I've been through every Timothy SMITH between 1881 & 1920 in FreeBMD and nothing matches. I suppose I can trawl through the 1891 images of Marlpool.

Maurice

 

[Astoness]

hi maurice i am drawing blanks as well...got him on the 41 then nothing until the 81 then as you says he disappears...very strange that he is not on 3 of the census years...what i may do is try to find his children...he had enough of them...cant see him moving far..

 

[sospiri]

Lyn,

I was just looking at the 1881 entry - FMP indexes it as Heanor, Derby, Basford, Nottinghamshire. They seem to do this a lot, using post-1974 borders in pre-1974 censuses. Crazy.

Maurice

 

[sospiri]

I have checked the Death entries for every SMITH in Belper Reg Dist between 1881 and 1888 and nothing matches. The workhouse was at Belper too and the 1891 inmates are here:- https://www.belper-research.com/census/1891/1891 census Belper Union Workhouse.pdf
Nothing, though it does include a Henry SLACK of Codmor aged 67. Sounds like he fell down a mineshaft!

Maurice

 

[Astoness]

lol mauice i do love the name slack...yes the workhouse crossed my mind as well but as you say no luck there..but those 3 missing census year are a mystery as we always take it that folk can easily be missed off one but 3 is most unusual..thanks maurice..

 

[sospiri]

He was living on his own in 1881 so could have wandered off & died somewhere. Other than that, I'll check the Scottish deaths in a while, but there doesn't seem to be any Scottish connection anywhere. Too early for the Passenger Manifests and both seem long shots. We may just have to write him off. I've got a couple like that. Off for a couple of hours break now.

Maurice

 

[Astoness]

thank you maurice...timothy had 4 children and i was hoping to find him with one of them but no luck finding the kids yet on the 51 and 61 not looked any further yet...the kitchen beckons now..

 

[pjmburns]

I think I have found Edward on 1851 - right age and born Heanor. See attached. He is on away from the family and I haven't yet looked to see if he is with relatives.