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Gosta Green Through Duddeston

thanks for that Lloyd i knew the no 8 bus went through that way somewhere,no i have i think now! have to contradict myself,did the no 8 come through the gate saltley and go along Adderley pk rd up and across bordesley grn,munz st and crossed the cov rd??
i,m going round in circles now in my head. regards dereklcg
 
pmc1947 said:
Here's a cracker of a photo I have just found. Its of the junction of Ashted Row and Lawley St / Dartmouth St. It can't have been taken too long after the war because its still showing the bombed out shell of Holbrooks.

Phil
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That's a great photograph, It sounds funny to say that I can remember the last tram going down Ashted Row but cannot remember the one's that went before it. Well Done Phil.
 
Rupert

Re post #890 By 1953 When I moved in to Nechells, Holbrook's was just an outer frame boundary wall as high as the top of the ground floor windows. It had been demolished as far down as the basement. There was even the remains of what looked like a canal tunnel that went under Ashted Row. From the looks of the site at the time I would guess that it was demolished at the start of the 50's.

Phil
 
Thank you all for your replies about Love lane.

I have located a 19th centrury plan of Love Lane and Holt street in the Birmingham Archives ref: MS20/408 and have e-mailed them about it.

Their reply this morning said that the document was very large and old and I proberably would not be able to have a copy so I have asked them for more information about the purpose of the plan just to see what was included in it.

It is unlikely there is are any photographs of Love lane which seems to have been quite an industrial area with a chemical works,garden impliment factory and a saw mill which seems to have backed on the St Laurences school.

The house my boatmen ancestors lived in for over 40 years at 36 Love Lane had a blacksmith forge and stables so it must have been a large house and it must have been near the wharf. They hauled chemicals as well as coal and may have worked for one of the chemical factories in Love lane.

Some of the other photographs posted of Dartmouth street are great and if you dont mind I have added one or two of these to my family history to illustrate the area my ancestors lived in. An earlier posting for 11 House 6 Court Dartmouth street for Arthur Flanner rang a bell as it was also the same court where my Moss ancestors lived.

Thank you all for sharing your indepth knowledge and memories about the area.
 
Louisa, maybe you have not seen the on line 1890 ordnance map. I have posted a link below. If you have no matter.

https://www.british-history.ac.uk/m...d=10094&ox=3413&oy=2490&zm=1&czm=1&x=79&y=308

You can see the canal and towpath that runs under Love Lane and the canal basin next to the brass foundry. There seem to be maybe some dwellings at the left end of Love Lane. The saw mill was on the canal next to the towpath. That may have been the one where I picked up a load of wood with a hand cart with my dad. A lifetime ago now. That area below love lane and to right of the canal up to Dartmouth Street became the location of The Delta Metal Company...brass extruding...gone to foriegn owners and re-named now I think.
 
Hi Louisa,

Glad to hear that you are making some headway even if it is only a little. Did you take a look on the canal thread on this site. You could post a request for information. There are some pretty good people on this site with specialised knowledge on various subjects. You never know they may come up with just what you are looking for.

I'll keep an eye open for some photo's for you, I might come up with something.

Phil
 
pmc1947 said:
Rupert

Re post #890 By 1953 When I moved in to Nechells, Holbrook's was just an outer frame boundary wall as high as the top of the ground floor windows. It had been demolished as far down as the basement. There was even the remains of what looked like a canal tunnel that went under Ashted Row. From the looks of the site at the time I would guess that it was demolished at the start of the 50's.

Phil
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I remember those outer walls as you describe Phil, The doorways and window bricked up to form the outerwall for Holbooks, I did not know until later years when doing some research that my Grandmother and Great Grandmother lived there in 1896.
 
Louisa

I found this photo, it might be of some use to you. It shows most of the area between Mill St and Love Lane with frontage on Dartmouth St. Its being used as a car park, but it does show the canal.

Phil
 
pmc1947 I remember the Holbrooks factory walls in the same state as you describe, me and my mates occasionally played in there. I seem to remember sewers or tunnels with steps going down to them. All quite dangerous but then we were kids who thought nothing of playing on bomb pecks and in disused buildings waiting demolition.
 
Shavedfish49

I remember at the back up the Holbrooks site there was another factory with a large metal stack. Four of us on the peck one day dared each other to see who would climb the highest up the ladder that ran up the side of it.

To be very honest I don't think any of us got anywhere near the top (too scared). I know that on the way down I caught my shirt on something and ripped it straight up the back.

When I got home I stuck it in the laundry bag thinking I would get away with it for a bit longer. Of course my mother seeing me sitting round the house in my vest (remember them) knew something was wrong and fished it out. I'm sure I don't have to tell you the rest.

Phil
 
Rupert said:
Louisa, maybe you have not seen the on line 1890 ordnance map. I have posted a link below. If you have no matter.

https://www.british-history.ac.uk/m...d=10094&ox=3413&oy=2490&zm=1&czm=1&x=79&y=308

You can see the canal and towpath that runs under Love Lane and the canal basin next to the brass foundry. There seem to be maybe some dwellings at the left end of Love Lane. The saw mill was on the canal next to the towpath. That may have been the one where I picked up a load of wood with a hand cart with my dad. A lifetime ago now. That area below love lane and to right of the canal up to Dartmouth Street became the location of The Delta Metal Company...brass extruding...gone to foriegn owners and re-named now I think.
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hi Rupert.
this is heading towards love lane,as you can see locks a plenty,nice to reminisce.regards dereklcg.
 
With all the information coming through on Dartmouth Street... can anyone help me.

When the family business N. Budd & Son moved from Aston Road, Gosta Green (it was purchased for Aston Uni) it went to a new building which we called The Flatted Factory... it was in Richard Street just off Dartmouth Street. Can anyone remember it...? I certainly do.. but I have no photographs of it.. Georgie
 
Georgie

The first Flatted Factories in Birmingham, the architect was Philip Skelcher. These photo's are supposed to have been taken in 1957. I think that seems a might early to me as I had two mates that worked there and I thought they were built later than that.

Phil

NechellsDartmouthStFlattedFactory2.jpg


NechellsDartmouthStFlattedFactory1.jpg
 
Hmmm... now you have got me thinking!.. We used to drive in off the road and be in a forecourt area... it could be the building... Don't remember the checkered side walls... but it certainly had panels... It could be the right year too. Georgie
 
Georgie

Its the right building, in the first photo the building on the right of the building you can see Dartmouth St School. I know its the right building because when I was 16 I walked past it every day on the way to work in Newtown Row. Also as I said I had two mates that worked there and I called at their factory occasionally on the third floor.

Phil
 
pmc1947 said:
Georgie

Its the right building, in the first photo the building on the right of the building you can see Dartmouth St School. I know its the right building because when I was 16 I walked past it every day on the way to work in Newtown Row. Also as I said I had two mates that worked there and I called at their factory occasionally on the third floor.

Phil
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Thank you so much Phil... I was 14 then!! oh dear me... and Dad or his brother used drive us to school... they would drop off Grandad and Gt Uncle at the Flatted Factory and then take us on to school in the city. So I never actually walked to the building.... I did go into the building quite a few times... but at 14 never took much notice of the outside... it was just a modern panelled building to me. I used to see it when I travelled home on the bus.

Is the Flatted Factory still there do you know?

Georgie
 
Georgie

I haven't been past that way for at least 15 years, but I can see no good reason why they would not be still there, there again they don't need a good reason to demolish things these days.

Phil
 
Louisa

I came across this today, and I have just realised that it must be Love Lane although the caption to the photo does not say so.

It says that it is a children's outing from Delta Metals in cooperation with St Lawrence's church. So if that is a side view of St Lawrence's then the lorries must be parked in Love Lane.

Phil
 

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pmc1947 said:
Georgie

I haven't been past that way for at least 15 years, but I can see no good reason why they would not be still there, there again they don't need a good reason to demolish things these days.

Phil
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I've just looked on Google Earth... zoomed well into Richard Street/Dartmouth Street area.... I can't see any flatted factory there now... nothing that resembles it. Georgie
 
George

I just took a look and as far as I can see it is still there. Its been tarted up a little, but its still the same building. Its a big T shaped building. on Richard St, Adams St. It no longer has the checkered sides
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pmc1947 said:
George

I just took a look and as far as I can see it is still there. Its been tarted up a little, but its still the same building. Its a big T shaped building. on Richard St, Adams St. It no longer has the checkered sides

Try birds eye view on

https://maps.live.com/

It lets you see the sides of the building and not just the roofs. I find it better when looking for a building.

Phil
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Got it Phil....... thank you so much... absolutely brilliant... Georgie
 
pmc1947 said:
Georgie

The first Flatted Factories in Birmingham, the architect was Philip Skelcher. These photo's are supposed to have been taken in 1957. I think that seems a might early to me as I had two mates that worked there and I thought they were built later than that.

Phil
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hi guy,s is that nechells house that was in Dartmouth st,my wife worked there way back when.
if there has been a reference that i have,nt seen i,m sorry,i came past there not so long ago and it looks as if it,s still there?or a building that,s in the same place or the old one tarted up.
regards dereklcg
 
Derek

I believe it is called Nechells House, this is the listing from the latest Kelly's directory I have 1973-74.

Phil

ADAMS STREET (7), 251
Heneage street to 21
Richard street. MAPH3.
WESTSID3, '
J. & F. Wholesale Co.
Ltd. who. grocers
here are Great Lister st.
<& Lord st
Dartmouth S t r e e t
Flatted F a c t o r y
(Nechells ho)
 
Great photo of the tunnel Derek. That must be a longish tunnel under what was Ashted Row. I have thought that these canals were the key feature in the formation of the Empire in the horse drawn days. They provided transportation for large volumes and, although slow by later standards, were great for the day and, being of modest cross section, could be bent into many places. Thus facilitating economical transportation for industry. The competition across the Channel were way behind in this respect in those days I think from things that I have read. The Brits had lots of sailing ships ( a seafaring nation) but perhaps the quantity would not have been needed if there had been a bottleneck in 'shipment' to the docks. I realise that Empire's are frowned upon these days.
 
pmc1947 said:
Derek

I believe it is called Nechells House, this is the listing from the latest Kelly's directory I have 1973-74.

Phil

ADAMS STREET (7), 251
Heneage street to 21
Richard street. MAPH3.
WESTSID3, '
J. & F. Wholesale Co.
Ltd. who. grocers
here are Great Lister st.
<& Lord st
Dartmouth S t r e e t
Flatted F a c t o r y
(Nechells ho)
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I went on the hunt tonight.... found my dad's headed notepaper!! so I can confirm:

Nechells House, Dartmouth Street, Birmingham 7

No number for which Unit he had at the moment.... I might find that later!! I always called it the Flatted Factory.

Thanks everyone... Georgie
 
pmc1947 said:
Geogie

What did your dad do there?

Phil
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My Dad ran the family firm: N. Budd & Son Ltd. They were Marquee and Tent people... they had to move from 265/264 Aston Road when it was acquired for Aston Uni... but they also had quite a few workshops in Legge Street, and a store house/yard that I remember very well in Sheep Street.

The office and sewing machines (for sewing the tarpaulin) were at the Flatted Factory..... Georgie
 
ASTONITE said:
Dont know if these have been on before apologies if they have.
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The 2nd photo is that the other end of the Fire Station?

3rd Photo is of the Delicia... with a Wrestling Sign. Tram coming up Aston Road....

A bit of a long shot... can anyone make out the lettering on the lorry on the right?

Georgie.
 
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