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Gosta Green Through Duddeston

ger22van.heres one for you,do you remember the old coop building duddeston and the horse and carts there that deliverd the milk.
pete
 
Pete. You mean on Vauxhall Road and Saint James Place.?
They were lovely horses and I used to go collecting the manure.
Had the best rhubarb in Birmingham, don't tell me, you had custard on yours.
 
ger22van,yes.i have looked on the www for a pic of the cws but nothing found.they still have horses to pull draculas carrage,when they do a funeral,do you know were they are kept.
sean connery used to drive a horse and cart for the coop,i bet he was shaken but not stir`d
pete
 
Any undertaker who needs a horse-drawn hearse hires it in, or certainly the horses if they have a hearse of their own. A chap who lives in West Bromwich usually does it, he does the horse-drawn events at the Black Country Museum as well.
 
hi guy,s did,nt they stable there horses under the railway arches
down the bottom of the road at the back of the railway yard?
my aunt Dora drove a horse and cart for the op&cop,
and i thought we went to have a look see once?
regards dereklcg.
 
I think the drawing of St Matthews must date after 1840 as the foundation stone was laid in October 1839 by Lord Calthorpe. It was the first of five built by The Birmingham Church Building Society.

Ernie, I think you can safely assume that the building to the left of the church is the start of St Matthews School.

Phil
 
Thank you so much for your reply Phil, after giving it a little thought later, that date is when Duddeston began to take shape although there may have been earlier development along Ashted Row.
I certainly must keep a copy of it.
 
I believe the Co op started their dairy in Newdegate St just off Great Francis St, I think their shop premises were to the front on Great Francis St and the Dairy was at the rear.

Here are two photo's one of the first few milk delivery men and one of the premises of what was the headquarters of the Co op until the dairy and the shop moved to more appropriate premises.

Phil

NechellsNewdigateCo-opsFirst6Milkmen.jpg


NechellsGreatFrancisStCo-op-1.jpg
 
Thanks to dereklcg (#768) and pmc1947 (#770) for the great pics!!! In the areal shot I can clearly see whereabouts my old house was in Godwin Street as my dad had the only garden in the area on the waste land (bomb peck) in front of the terraced house, 4 back of 65, previously known as 4 Godwin Terrace.
Secondly, I'm sure the artist's drawing of St Matthew's church includes the original St Matthew's school on the viewer's left. Although the school lay back from Great Lister Street, as opposed to being on it like the church, it would appear the artist has accounted for the depth of this in his drawing as the school appears bigger than the church, therefore nearer.
Did any other member attend the school? Do they agree? I think I'm correct.
 
I believe the Co op started their dairy in Newdegate St just off Great Francis St, I think their shop premises were to the front on Great Francis St and the Dairy was at the rear.

Here are two photo's one of the first few milk delivery men and one of the premises of what was the headquarters of the Co op until the dairy and the shop moved to more appropriate premises.

Phil
..... hi pmc, i took this photograph,well one of many in Rupert st
a long time ago,gone now but i think we are looking at the
picture? happy days regards dereklcg.
 
..... hi pmc, i took this photograph,well one of many in Rupert st
a long time ago,gone now but i think we are looking at the
picture? happy days regards dereklcg.

derek

Do you think so?, if so the artist could have had little first hand knowledge of the real building or perhaps he was using a bit of artistic license. Do you not think it could have been somewhere nearer Rupert St? like the second painting obviously is.

Phil
 
hi pmc1947, i,ll get the photo out i,m sure it says grt Francis st on it,
it was after all a mural to depict the area.
the other pics in the set are Bloomsbury st library a tram,
city of b,ham train & the rotunda.
regards Derek
 
me again, it does say Birmingham first co-op grt Francis st
1885. so it is an artist,s impression, one of the others is the junction pub
and northumberland st. Derek.
 
derek

I suppose the artist was a young person with no first hand knowledge, or it may have been decided that only an impression of the building was given because the actual building was too complicated to depict in a simple mural.

Still whatever, they were still good paintings obviously with the intent of making us think about the past, and they fulfill that intention, did you say they are gone now? what a pity.

Phil
 
afraid so i was in brum not so long ago at dollman st and i had a drive round,
scary, there,s some graffiti but that's your lot. just glad i can look back on them and i,m glad i took them,i took the pic,s of the old co-op building in ab row i know it will be gone next time i take a look.
regards derek
 
Hello. I'm a newbie. And I'm still groping around the site wondering what I'm doing...! Whilst I was exploring I was interested to see the reference to Gosta Green, because that was one of my old haunts - especially the Delicia Picture House.

I used to love the Saturday matinees where I could watch my favourite cowboys thundering all over the screen. Years later, I was able to visit some of the areas that used to fascinate me as a boy - such as Monument Valley, in Arizona, where John Wayne made several of his great Westerns.

Occasionally, my gran would treat me to another visit to the "Del" in the week and take me with her if there was a film showing that she fancied.

I was remembering all this as I scrolled down the windows, when I came across the picture of Loxton Street Senior Boys School and the PT lesson in the school hall...

That brought back a few memories, alright. "Lokko" was my old school, which I entered in 1939 from Dartmouth Street Juniors at age 11 and left in 1942 at the age of fourteen - the legal age of leaving school in those days.

How well I can recall "Dickie" Griffiths, the headmaster at the time. And dear old "Groggie" - George Grove, my favourite teacher. A big, brusque man, he used to "punish" small misdemeanors by slapping both of your cheeks together in a clapping motion.

I remember he was mad on the subject of Roses and if we wanted to get out of a maths lesson one of us would ask him a question on roses. He'd answer the question then drift off onto something else about roses. By the time he was finished with his favourite subject there would be no time left for the maths lesson. So that's how we got out of doing maths lessons.

But we didn't come it too much, otherwise "Groggie" would have caught on...

Then there was "Daddy" Walker, another of the popular teachers. Mr. Walker was an accomplished pianist and used to accompany us on the piano as we sang our morning hymns in Assembly. Afterwards, we would all march back to our classrooms to the rousing results of "Daddy's" talents on the piano.

Of course, WW2 was on at the time, and later Mr. Walker was called up, like many other teachers at the time, for military service. I believe he served his time in the RAF and - I'm glad to say - returned safely to Civvy St. after the war.

Mr Walker was also a brilliant artist and, like Mr. Grove, had a favourite subject - Fuschias. In later years he produced a book of his sketches that featured every known specias of Fuschia that existed at the time...

But who doesn't remember Mr. Martin...?

Mr. Martin was the Woodwork and Geometry teacher during my time at "Lokko". But he wasn't one of the "populars". He'd been know to aim a mallet at some lad who wasn't paying attention in a Woodwork lesson. Certainly I caught a clout across the lughole frrom him when I projected a wrong angle or something in a geometry lesson...

No. Mad Martin was one teacher I wasn't sorry to see the back of when I left school...

But what about my schoolmates?

In my class I can recall "Nipper" Billington;Colin Cotteril;Ron Kingett;"Spud" Baker. There was a Gerald de Roche;a red-faced lad whose surname was Jephcott. Then there was Harry Hassall...

I remember my wife and I had been married about two years when we decided to take an early holiday. We went off to Rhyl. As we strolled along the promenade one morning we passed another young couple. I suddenly realised who the young fellow was - it was Harry Hassall, my old classmate.

I turned round for another look and so had Harry, who had recognised me at the same time.

It seemed that Harry was there on a convalescence trip. He had been suffering with ulcers, had an operation and was still recovering. Harry was only there for a couple of days and we never saw him again. I often wonder how he got on...

One more I remember is Donald Green. Some time after I left school I took a trip down to Loxton Street just to have a look around the area. I ran into a group I recognised from schooldays. One of them was Donald Green, and he was bedecked in naval uniform.

It seems that Donald hadn't waited for call-up. I believe he joined the Royal Navy as a career. When I, myself, was called up in 1946, I finished up in the Royal Marines. But I never came across Donald again...

But I'm going on and on...! This is what nostalgia does for you! I've only just joined the Forum and here I am prattling away and I don't even know where this is going to finish up...!

Anyway, I think it was "Derek" (was it?) who put the picture of Loxton Street School hall and the PT lesson onto the site. Whoever it was, thanks for bringing back a few good memories.

Regards to all,

Jim Pedley
 
Hi Jim

Welcome to the forum, I also remember the places you mention, but quite a bit after you. I remember Loxton St School but didn't attend there I went to St Vincents, but there are others on here that did.

You don't say where you lived, was it in Nechells or Gosta Green?

Phil
 
Hi, Phil,

Nice to meet you. I lived in Adams Street, just a little way up from Dartmouth Street (as it was then!) along Great Lister Street.

Years later Fletchers opened up their motor supplies place on the corner.

I have to push off for a while so I'll catch you later.

Regards,

Jim Pedley
 
Hello. I'm a newbie. And I'm still groping around the site wondering what I'm doing...! Whilst I was exploring I was interested to see the reference to Gosta Green, because that was one of my old haunts - especially the Delicia Picture House.

I used to love the Saturday matinees where I could watch my favourite cowboys thundering all over the screen. Years later, I was able to visit some of the areas that used to fascinate me as a boy - such as Monument Valley, in Arizona, where John Wayne made several of his great Westerns.

Occasionally, my gran would treat me to another visit to the "Del" in the week and take me with her if there was a film showing that she fancied.

I was remembering all this as I scrolled down the windows, when I came across the picture of Loxton Street Senior Boys School and the PT lesson in the school hall...

That brought back a few memories, alright. "Lokko" was my old school, which I entered in 1939 from Dartmouth Street Juniors at age 11 and left in 1942 at the age of fourteen - the legal age of leaving school in those days.

How well I can recall "Dickie" Griffiths, the headmaster at the time. And dear old "Groggie" - George Grove, my favourite teacher. A big, brusque man, he used to "punish" small misdemeanors by slapping both of your cheeks together in a clapping motion.

I remember he was mad on the subject of Roses and if we wanted to get out of a maths lesson one of us would ask him a question on roses. He'd answer the question then drift off onto something else about roses. By the time he was finished with his favourite subject there would be no time left for the maths lesson. So that's how we got out of doing maths lessons.

But we didn't come it too much, otherwise "Groggie" would have caught on...

Then there was "Daddy" Walker, another of the popular teachers. Mr. Walker was an accomplished pianist and used to accompany us on the piano as we sang our morning hymns in Assembly. Afterwards, we would all march back to our classrooms to the rousing results of "Daddy's" talents on the piano.

Of course, WW2 was on at the time, and later Mr. Walker was called up, like many other teachers at the time, for military service. I believe he served his time in the RAF and - I'm glad to say - returned safely to Civvy St. after the war.

Mr Walker was also a brilliant artist and, like Mr. Grove, had a favourite subject - Fuschias. In later years he produced a book of his sketches that featured every known specias of Fuschia that existed at the time...

But who doesn't remember Mr. Martin...?

Mr. Martin was the Woodwork and Geometry teacher during my time at "Lokko". But he wasn't one of the "populars". He'd been know to aim a mallet at some lad who wasn't paying attention in a Woodwork lesson. Certainly I caught a clout across the lughole frrom him when I projected a wrong angle or something in a geometry lesson...

No. Mad Martin was one teacher I wasn't sorry to see the back of when I left school...

But what about my schoolmates?

In my class I can recall "Nipper" Billington;Colin Cotteril;Ron Kingett;"Spud" Baker. There was a Gerald de Roche;a red-faced lad whose surname was Jephcott. Then there was Harry Hassall...

I remember my wife and I had been married about two years when we decided to take an early holiday. We went off to Rhyl. As we strolled along the promenade one morning we passed another young couple. I suddenly realised who the young fellow was - it was Harry Hassall, my old classmate.

I turned round for another look and so had Harry, who had recognised me at the same time.

It seemed that Harry was there on a convalescence trip. He had been suffering with ulcers, had an operation and was still recovering. Harry was only there for a couple of days and we never saw him again. I often wonder how he got on...

One more I remember is Donald Green. Some time after I left school I took a trip down to Loxton Street just to have a look around the area. I ran into a group I recognised from schooldays. One of them was Donald Green, and he was bedecked in naval uniform.

It seems that Donald hadn't waited for call-up. I believe he joined the Royal Navy as a career. When I, myself, was called up in 1946, I finished up in the Royal Marines. But I never came across Donald again...

But I'm going on and on...! This is what nostalgia does for you! I've only just joined the Forum and here I am prattling away and I don't even know where this is going to finish up...!

Anyway, I think it was "Derek" (was it?) who put the picture of Loxton Street School hall and the PT lesson onto the site. Whoever it was, thanks for bringing back a few good memories.

Regards to all,

Jim Pedley
wow Jim, what a story you have there! and welcome you,re among friends here they,ll come flooding in as a lot myself included went to loxton st,i was after you i started in 1953 went on to Charles Arther st and then with the slum clearance moved to south Yardley. i was born and bread in Cromwell st and i,m sure there was a family named pedley by us. i,m seeing my sister sheila who remembers more than me sometime.
i,ll leave you to it it,s a great place to be on here the memories will come flooding back. happy days regards dereklcg.
 
Jim

Re post #795, I most of us that subscribe to this thread remember Adams street. You will remember the Raven on the corner of Great Lister St and Dartmouth St. I posted a photo somewhere on this thread of it before it was replaced by Fletchers.

Mind you Feetchers was more useful than the Raven especially when looking for car bits.

Phil

NechellsGreatListerStFletchers.jpg
 
Pedlarman. A bit before my time but I loved reading your post. I left at the end of 1953 but some of those teachers I well remember. Could I ask if you knew any boys from Coleman Street or the area around there. One that comes to mind is Jimmy Walters.
 
pmc 1947,phil i have looked but cant find it,when was the raven there?,On that spot all i can remember is fletchers ex mod junk yard.
pete.were ernie borrowed the dip sticks from.to play sword fighting
pete
 
Pete

All I can tell you is, that it was there in the fifties and sixties and according to Kelly's it was there for a while before that. My mother and stepfather drank in there for about ten years (I don't mean for one sitting).........there again I don't know, maybe there is more truth in the statement than I think.

Here is the photo of the Raven looking down Great Lister St.

Phil

NechellsGreatListerStTheRaven.jpg
 
Thanks for finding it Phil, maybe I should keep some kind of index to find what pages things are on. I am positive the Raven pub was there in early 1957.
PS. Not sure if I had seen that photograph before but it is a great one phil.
 
pmc1947.thanks phil.i dont remember the pub,but do remember the fence
next to fletchers,were we climbed over to play in the old ambo`s,
pete
 
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