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Gosta Green Through Duddeston

Hi Sylvia my William Wallace was one of about 8 children, his brother Joseph was born around 1880 but their parents were Joseph and Eliza Wallace. Joseph snr lived in Cattells Grove in the last years of his life. Ive gone back to my 4x gt grandparents on the Wallace side, perhaps there could be a connection somewhere.
 
Hi Laraine, it doesn't seem as though there is a connection - my g.g. grandfather John Wallace was born about 1821 in Ireland, and I am stuck there as it is difficult to get information on Irish records.
 
Going right back to the original post by ger22van, the 1st picture of the 4 ws taken from outside or very near to Powell Brothers Tube Mill. My father worked there for 25 years between 1945 and 1970. Many was the time I stood on that spot waiting for him to leave work.
 
Here we are Laraine hope this helps... The blue dots are at each end of Cromwell St
The red house is number 80 and the Yellow is The Cromwell Arms Pub.
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I think that 65 would be just up from Oliver ST on the South West side
Cromwell Street
South East Side
6.‚.. William Ashley. Shopkeeper
8a.‚.. Arthur Howell. Plumbers
16.‚.. Arthur Fredrick Gibbs.Metal Worker
17.‚.. Tenco Products Electrical Apparatus Manufactures
17 Cromwell Garage motor engineer, William Findon Propr.
20.‚.. GUNMAKERS ARMS public house, Percy Gray
Here is Brighton Terrace
32.‚.. Shopkeeper Miss Lotty Sills
35.‚.. Rag Cleaning Supply Company
41.‚.. WHITE HART public House. Frank Gilliam
Here is Oliver Street
43.‚.. Coffee Rooms. Geoffrey Lewis
53.‚.. Shopkeeper Mrs Gladys Davies
66.‚.. Shopkeeper W.Adams
Here is Cromwell Square
67.‚.. Hardware, Miss Annie May Garrison
75 & 76.‚.. .‚..Scrap Iron.‚.. Dealer A.Matthewson & Son
79.‚.. CROMWELL ARMS public house Shelley Enos Jnr
83.‚.. Shopkeeper Mrs Lily Brookes
88.‚.. Fried Fish. Geoffrey Harrison
90.‚.. Newsagents. Mrs Ivy Leonard
Here are Rose Cottages
97.‚.. Tool Manufactures & Contractors. William Lees
98.‚.. Split Ring Manufacturers
99.‚.. Shopkeeper. Vincent Edward Kerr
Here are Marys Place & Williams Place
110.‚.. Shopkeeper. Miss Florence Rose

SOUTH WEST SIDE (over the road)
116.‚.. Hairdresser. Fredrick R.Brown
121.‚.. Duddeston & Nechells Ex.- Service Mans Club (R.Buckley Sec.)British Restaurant
CROMWELL STREET SCHOOL
127 School Caretaker. Arnold Cyril Thomas Brown
143.‚.. Beer Retailer Leslie H.J.Devine
144.‚.. Shopkeeper Joseph Billingsley
146 &147 C.B.Engineering Co. Precision Repetition Work
155.‚.. Shopkeeper Mrs Elizabeth Hawkins
164.‚.. Motor Haulage Contractors Jason Price & Sons
169.‚.. Boot Repairers. Gilbert Crump
171.‚.. Draper Mrs Helena Abrahams
172.‚.. Greengrocer. Howard Baker
173.‚.. Shopkeeper. Mrs Kate Parsons
178.‚.. .‚..Shopkeeper..‚.. Mrs Edith Rote
184.‚.. .‚..Wireless Repairer. William Howard Clifford
185.‚.. Greengrocer. William Varley
Here is Oliver Street.‚..
199.‚.. Pattern Maker. Robinson & Knee Ltd.
201.‚.. Shopkeeper. William Cottrill
204.‚.. Watch & Clock Repairs. John Green
210 Scrap Metal Merchants. Samuel Johnson
227 Drapers. Mrs Julia Preece
234.‚.. Builders. J. Wallace &Son
236.‚.. Shopkeeper. William Stephen Colder
237 Shopkeeper..‚.. Mrs Ivy Elizabeth Rochell


The list is of 1940-50...
Here's an advert for: 75 & 76 Scrap Iron... Dealer A.Matthewson & Son
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Thanks for that Pom and for the maps its made really interesting reading. Im wondering if the builders J Wallace & son at 234 Cromwell St was the premises of my Joseph Wallace & one of his sons. Thanks.
Laraine
 
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Ernie

Am I right in thinking a while back you were looking for a pub called "The Swan with Two Necks", but it was not the one at Gosta Green where Fire Station now stands.

Was it this one in Lawley Street.

Phil

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Phil. I think at the time I was thinking that it was an original name for the " Sack Of Potatoes " but by what you have just posted I see that I have got it all wrong once again. Thank you for your post Phil you are always there to help.
 
Ernie

I think it has always been called "The Sack of Potatoes". In 1913 No 10 Gosta Green was listed as a beer retailer. In 1946 No 10 Gosta Green was listed as "The Sack of Potatoes PH".

If it was called another name between those dates, then perhaps some on else will know.

Phil
 
Phil. Thank you for that info. I am still looking for a photograph of number
9 Aston Road which was just around the corner from Gosta Green. My Grandmother was born there in 1873.
 
Ernie

Which side of the road was that, was it next to a shop or something similar which would give a better chance of finding one. I will keep an eye open for anything I can find.

Phil
 
hi pom hope you,re well ? i can,t work the numbers out in cromwell st,i lived at the number 3 just off grt lister st but any list i,ve seen as,nt got us on it any idea why?does such a list exist?it would be great if you could find one,regards derek.
 
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Phil. I think it was just around the corner from the Delica along Aston Road towards Love Lane. Hope this makes sence because I never know which is North ,South, East or West looking at maps.
 
gerv22van i wish i had read your version of my parents house in bloomsbury street before now as it brought back many memories some sad but mostly happy it makes you appretiate what you have now wellit doe's me
have you ever thought of sending your work to CARL CHIN'S BRUMMAGEM MAGAZINE because i am sure it would be published and bring back many memories to it's many readers
please think about it
brian baker
 
derek, you will find that most lists posted on here (the forum) are from Kelly's directories or similar, these directories often only listed shops, pubs or business's' and not house addresses (unless there was a business run from the home). You would need to look at the Electoral Rolls at the library to find you house listed .

Pom
 
Ernie

I just came across this photo of the Old Nelson on the corner of Rupert St in a new book I have just received. I don't know if anyone has posted it before so I'll post it now in case you have'nt seen it.

Phil

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Great map Ernie, I have just picked out our old house in Francis St. It is so hard to believe that 9 of us lived in that little square.

Phil
 
Pmc1947
I don't know if anyone has posted it before
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Hi Phil I have posted a pic' just like that on here (The site not the Thread) a few years ago.
It may not still be on here though, there was also a story about the 'Baby Grand' that was in the bar of the pub too.

You see because my Dad who was almost blind played the piano there all the time (among other Pub's like the New Inns Gt Lister St and The Brit' down Proctor St). When The Old Nelson was demolished in the mid 1960's we ended up with the piano in our lounge in Offenham House, the last Landlord of the pub at the time gave it to my Dad.
It took up heaps of space, but we also had heaps of fun playing it. You should have seen my brother's impersonation of Jerry Lee Lewis LOL. I learnt to play Chipsticks on it and a few other tunes, I may have a photo somewhere that I will try and find taken at one of our house party's with it in the background.

Pom
 
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Pomgolian

When you lived in the block of flats fronting Great Lister St, did you live on the second floor in about 1962-63 and did you dress as a mod.

Phil
 
No sorry Phil, I lived in the first house on the ground, but did dress as 'A Mod' in those years. There were a few girls though around my age whom I was friends with who lived on both the second and the fifth floors. One of them was also named Christine the same as me.
 
Pom. Its so nice to hear those names, as you say the " New Inns " the " Brit " the " Old Nelson " amongst many others. Always being mentioned in the household many years ago. The last time I went down Proctor Street I was pleased to see the " Britannia " was still there. such a small pub but it outlived the bigger ones.
 
Ernie yes The Brit is still there on the corner as it always was. I went and had a look last August when I was over, wanted to take a pic', but my Brother in law wouldn't let me get out the car.... said it wouldn't be safe if I was seen taking pic's. It looked a little dilapidated though and the windows were boarded up for security. That made me feel really sad at the time.
 
Its just that I had a flash of a memory of something uncomplimentary being said by a young girl dressed as a mod to me and three of my mates when we were all dressed in leathers.

We had to call at a flat on the second floor for some reason that escapes me now. It was no more than the usual banter that passed between mods and rockers in those days.

It just made me smile when I recalled it.

Phil
 
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Pom, We thought that in a months time or hope to get over there. I had said that we would go around the area on our Disability Scooters, but even before reading your post I had second thoughts about it. It seems as though nowhere is really safe. Well I will at least drive around the area and have a look when I do go. So So Sad that it has come to this and we ask where are things taking us ? They are going to have more police on the street but I wonder if it is already out of hand.
Take Care seems to be a parting message today. Take Care Pom.
 
Pomgolian

It seems we might have crossed wires, I thought you lived in the block of flats that are in the background of this photo. They were only two or three stories high at the most, and were bounded by Grt Lister St, Windsor St, Henry St, and Henage St.

The only multi story block I remember in that square was on Henry St. I had a mate at the time who I think lived on the fifth floor. His name was Johnny Coglin or Cofflin or something like that.

Mind you I suppose even all that has gone now, strange when you see things being demolished that you remember being built.

Phil

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Hi Phil you did have the right blocks, that slide was at the back of Offenham House as you came down Simons Rd on to Kellett Rd. It's just that although the blocks looked like the were three stories high they were five.
The middle part of the blocks had two story maisonettes (Living down stairs and sleeping up). However at each end where the stairwells were, they were one story flats (living and sleeping on on e level). so in actual fact they were five stories high. Also although I dressed as a Mod I would never had made fun of anyone in Leathers as I also loved and rode pillion on Motorbikes, not Scooters.


Pom
 
Hi Pomgolian

Do you know I have walked through those flats a thousand times when I worked on Newtown Row, I have been inside them quite a few times (only to the second floor). I used to go to the shops in Kellett Rd, and never did I once realise they were five stories high. I must have walked round in a daze in those days.

Phil
 
i,m so sorry Laraine,i,ve just been back tracking this thread,the Wallace family i new lived opposite us they had a building company, i knew the son Albert who was train mad and went on to work in the main signal box at new st station, i,m not sure but kandor mite remember the number as he new as i did the higgins family next door i think?
regards dereklcg.
 
I was passing nechells and wondered if anyone would like to see these photosavenue road 3.jpg avenue road 2008.jpg avenue road.jpg
 
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