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Golden Lion Cannon Hill

Has there been any update from the Council on this building?

I would have thought now would be an ideal time to move it back to Digbeth with all the regeneration that's going on in that area.
 
if only the council thought the same as you and most of us on here judi...sadly i have no good news...i fear it will just be left to fall down now...

lyn
 
No, none.

I think there was workmen next to The MAC where the outdoor arena was though. And a council lawnmower.
 
Astoness said:
first mini golf..then swan pedalos and now a roller coaster which will be unveiled at the lord mayors show on sunday...this is the latest in a £1 million investment for the park..i wonder if the lord mayor will pass the golden lion and ask the question...what is happening to our heritage ??..i very much doubt it because lets face it..no one much cares

lyn
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/new-rollercoaster-cannon-hill-park-11423632
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I know this is an old thread, but this needs correcting;

the Mini Golf, Swans, Funfair area aren't funded by the council, they're private money paying rent for the sites.
 
thanks for that info rich alas the fact still remains that the historic golden lion pub still lies unloved and unwanted...so sad that before it got into such a state no one had the forward thinking to save it..too late now i think

lyn
 
I doubt much has happened about the Golden Lion since we last looked at this - except further deterioration. Having read the article below I’m surprised it was never really regarded as a sufficiently important building to warrant proper preservation. As an ancient Hall/house if the Gild if St John it’s a crying shame it’s sat rotting in Cannon Hill Park all these years.

Viv

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oh i do hope it will be saved..i really do..reading the report it seems the £32000 is only to pay for the review of the building not to restore it...once again it could be a case of too little too late but lets keep hoping

lyn
 
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Astoness said:
oh i do hope it will be saved..i really do..reading the report it seems the £32000 is only to pay for the review of the building not to restore it...once again it could be a case of too little too late but lets keep hoping

lyn
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Am I reading it right ? £32, 000 towards some "experts" to review it's condition, does "towards" hint that they might need even more money just to to review it :eek: ? I'm sure they will greedily use up all that money and then decide they can't find funds to actually retore it.
 
izzy eckerslike said:
Am I reading it right ? £32, 000 towards some "experts" to review it's condition, does "towards" hint that they might need even more money just to to review it :eek: ? I'm sure they will greedily use up all that money and then decide they can't find funds to actually retore it.
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yes that is how i read it izzy and totally agree with you..it will cost many thousands of pounds to restore it and lets face it the council have had years to get this sorted and given the financial straits they are in now are they really going to put money they dont have into restoration..i think not....i myself bombarded the council about restoring this wonderful old pub but as usual it all fell on deaf ears..

i also find it odd that this new interest in the pub comes so soon after the wake of the loss of the crooked house pub himley...no doubt time will tell

lyn
 
Unfortunately, this is just a costing exercise with a grant that is usually awarded by the architectural heritage fund, a branch of Historic England. In my experiences these grants are what they say, for funding architects. I applied for one for about £2.5k match funded once. It was not a big amount, but I ended up attending thirteen meeting and submitting countless reports. In the end I was going to tell them to keep the grant.

The heritage industry is swimming with consults who are basically grant farming. I think if you do the numbers you would find that for every £100 spent on heritage about £1 gets spent on actual building work.

I did speak to a councillor about this a few years ago and suggested that they engage with a local technical college as this type of work is ideal for building industry apprentices. Again, they suggested I write a proposal, to which I declined to do as it was just going to be another layer of bureaucracy that did not get anything done to the building. Don’t hold your breath folks.
 
Morturn said:
Unfortunately, this is just a costing exercise with a grant that is usually awarded by the architectural heritage fund, a branch of Historic England. In my experiences these grants are what they say, for funding architects. I applied for one for about £2.5k match funded once. It was not a big amount, but I ended up attending thirteen meeting and submitting countless reports. In the end I was going to tell them to keep the grant.

The heritage industry is swimming with consults who are basically grant farming. I think if you do the numbers you would find that for every £100 spent on heritage about £1 gets spent on actual building work.

I did speak to a councillor about this a few years ago and suggested that they engage with a local technical college as this type of work is ideal for building industry apprentices. Again, they suggested I write a proposal, to which I declined to do as it was just going to be another layer of bureaucracy that did not get anything done to the building. Don’t hold your breath folks.
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agree with you mort...i just cant see the pub being saved now...which for its age is just tragic

lyn
 
In view of the council's bankruptcy and outstanding 'equality' wage debts, I can't see and funding being available for this (or, to be honest, and other non-essential) project. It would be mis-spending of public funds. The building can only be saved by offering it to a society or museum (Avoncroft or the like) to restore, even if it means moving it away. Leaving the status quo will only result in its eventual collapse and then being cleared away. Every day it deteriorates a little more.
 
I agree Morturn. Personally I think a large proportion of "consultants", whatever the field, though particularly those in HR, social work and business organisation, are pretty useless parasites.
 
far as i know janet it was always the golden lion....shame it was not left where it was as it could have stood a chance ..there should be old photos of it on the forum before it was removed

lyn
 
I didn't even know in all the visits I made to the park in my youth there was a pub there , I remember the pool we used to paddle, from what I remember at times it was rather difficult to pick your steps as the floor was coverd in rocks etc . I picked up an old welly on one visit in the river and I heard like a rat a tat from inside the boot , turned out it was a crayfish when I poured the water out of the boot . I was at a loss what was this alien in front of me at the age of about 8 or 9yo it was my first experience of seeing a crayfish .
 
Janet Hunt said:
Does anyone know what pub it was in Deritend prior to 1911? would be interesting to find out
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It has its own thread

Golden Lion Cannon Hill

The Golden Lion Inn is a Grade II listed building built around 1520 and is described thus, “The timber frame of the two-storey inn is filled with plaster and the ground floor is faced with brick. The main facade features three gables above herring-bone studding, a painted pub sign (1725)...
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Astoness said:
far as i know janet it was always the golden lion....shame it was not left where it was as it could have stood a chance ..there should be old photos of it on the forum before it was removed

lyn
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Think you are right Lyn just found this picture:
 

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Just read an article in Mosely B13 magazine (not scanning it as unsure of copyright).

"Historic Pub in Cannon Hill Park to get a New Lease of Life.

A £32,008 grant by Historic England will go towards a £40,008 project development scheme with the aim of bringing Cannon Hill Park's Grade 2 listed Golden Lion pub back into use. "
The money is funding to carry out development works to establish the extent of decay and cost of repairs. Once this has been done work will be begun to establish plans for the future of the site. Birmingham Conservation Trust are involved.

Not sure how, if at all, the fnancial situation at the council will affect this plan.
 
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