MWS
from Bham
Didn't find the other address - yet.
Can't find the Heaton St one now, so may have imagined that.
Didn't find the other address - yet.
Thank you so much. I found a detailed report of his arrest which I’ll upload tomorrow based on Wilton street. Which he played on the I have only one arm, I’m not involved defence which was unsurprisingly disbelieved. I cant find reference to heaton street which I was more interested in is that is the address / location of his sister esther and her son in the late toward the later years.Didn't find the other address - yet.
Baker is one of the Magistrates. From my research so far, He first got into serious troubleEsther Baker married George Hudson in 1834 Handsworth St Mary.
Burial 1860 , February 5th Bordesley Holy Trinity
In 1851 they are living in Communications Row.
In 1861 their children George 21, James 19 , Esther 10 and Elizabeth 2 are living with their brother William and his wife in Latimer street.
I see that there is a man named Baker in the above newspaper cuttings , I wonder if he was related to Esther.
Yes there are 2. I know it’s him due to the 1 arm reference . Not found anything similar for 1863 as ye. But u will look later today.I ssume you saw this entry. Gives a description.
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There was a glassmakers arms on granville street, which is fairly close to hill street, almost spitting distance. Certainly closer to tindal street / latimer street. The issue I have now is I dont know if the newspaper report is george sr or george jr, getting drunk and causing havoc. Feels like an older man tbh. But I dont know.Tndal St is the Ladywood side of Broad St, Latmer St is on the other side of Broad St about a mile away.
Neither are particularly close to Brass St but if Esther was trying to get away from George then she would a distance away.
There was a Glasscutters Arms on Hospital St which is towards New Town and not far from Brass St.
I found reference to a glasscutters arms on hill street in the newspaper for 1860 - the landlord got done for trading in Sunday!! It’s just a passing mention, amongst other pubs which also got fined. But it makes more sense if George sr was travelling down hill street to go there.If there was one closer it seems more likely than the one on Hospital St, which I mentioned because it was close to Brass St.
I agree it seem more likely to be the George snr but you may never know for certain.
Here's a map from 1889, the writing is not great but on the corner of Granville St and Holliday St...
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I did check the 1861 census, briefly and can’t find the landlord or the pub. There are 2 mentioned on hill street one by name, the grapes and the other just public house 103-104 hill street landlord was mr tailby. The name I was looking for was Thomas Bradley who was done for Sunday trading I think In 1860. but who knows. At least I found out it did exist. Yay me!!!
Its not in the 1858 article. But in a later article for breaching Sunday trading rules - August 11 1860 Birmingham Daily PostRe-reading the 1858 article it doesn't actually say that the Glasscutter's Arms was on Hill St, it says that while George was walking down Hill St he proposed that they go to the Glasscutter's Arms. No road is specifically mentioned in reference to the Glasscutter's Arms. Not saying that it isn't there, just that the sentence is not totally clear.
Interestingly, on the 1861 census there is a Thomas Bradley on Granville St, though he's not listed as a publican.
Ive take this as far as I can with online records. Planning a trip now to the Birmingham Archives in Sept for theIts not in the 1858 article. But in a later article for breaching Sunday trading rules - August 11 1860 Birmingham Daily Post
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Its not in the 1858 article. But in a later article for breaching Sunday trading rules - August 11 1860 Birmingham Daily Post
Agreed. Looks like it was sudden whatever it was,. bread street is not too far from Latimer street. I’m off to the archives soon. Maybe I’ll find more if the coroners records are availableThe address may have no significance. He could have just collapsed while walking down the street and taken inside the nearest house. Or he could have been visiting a friend.
Thank you so much. Yes that would be it.