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pollypops

pollypops

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I have just read in the newspaper that the Ancestry website has published a Birmingham Pub Blacklist with details of 'habitul drunkards' from the beginning of the 20th century. It says it shows photographs of those banned from pubs and clubs in the city and the nature of their offences - such as drink driving a steam engine!
I don't have a membership so I can't have a look but I thought you may be interested to know this info is available.
I wonder if they list drunkards from other places - Or did Brum have more drunks than anywhere else?:D
polly :)
 
Polly
The list is one issued by Holts brewery, so only covers Birmingham, but ancestry is quotes as saying that they hope to publish other brewery's lists at a later date.
Mike
 
I wonder if any forum members will find a relative on the list - or if they will tell us if they do??
Polly:)
 
pollypops said:
I have just read in the newspaper that the Ancestry website has published a Birmingham Pub Blacklist with details of 'habitul drunkards' from the beginning of the 20th century. It says it shows photographs of those banned from pubs and clubs in the city and the nature of their offences - such as drink driving a steam engine!
I don't have a membership so I can't have a look but I thought you may be interested to know this info is available.
I wonder if they list drunkards from other places - Or did Brum have more drunks than anywhere else?:D
polly :)
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Polly, I had seen some of those in the Central Library when I used to be able to get there, I thought the one about being drunk in charge of a steam engine very funny, although I did have steam roller in mind , can you imagine it ?
 
I was drunk when i stole a dumper in Lifford Lane when i lived in Kings Norton to get home and never got caught:D:D:D

Mau-reece
 
Somewhat off-topic but, an old colleague of mine once showed me an ancient newspaper report of the death of her great grandfather.....he was a renowned 'tippler'. He was eventually convinced by his doctor to give up the booze and live a more abstemious life, if he was to survive. However, the drink got him in the end....as he was run-over by a brewer's dray wagon!
 
JohnO said:
Somewhat off-topic but, an old colleague of mine once showed me an ancient newspaper report of the death of her great grandfather.....he was a renowned 'tippler'. He was eventually convinced by his doctor to give up the booze and live a more abstemious life, if he was to survive. However, the drink got him in the end....as he was run-over by a brewer's dray wagon!
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Oh my what destiny

Mossy
 
Mossy said:
I was drunk when i stole a dumper in Lifford Lane when i lived in Kings Norton to get home and never got caught:D:D:D

Mau-reece
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Do you mind posting you full name and address we need to get the crime figures down in brum. Dek:D:D:D:D
 
Dek name rank and number...no chance:D:D:D Mau-reece.....stand by your beds
 
My whole family were habitual drinkers, but I cant remember seeing any of them drunk! Half of my childhood seem to have been spent waiting outside pubs for my parents to
emerge, only at weekends mind, from Victorian times onwards the Brewers have been the working mans worst enemy, in my opinion anyway, the government
rescricted the opening hours during the Great War 1914/18 to keep the workers sober, Bernard
 
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Bernard67Arnold said:
My whole family were habitual drinkers, but I cant remember seeing any of them drunk! Half of my childhood seem to spent waiting outside pubs for my parents to
emerge, only at weekends mind, from Victorian times onwards the Brewers have been the working mans worst enemy, in my opinion anyway, Bernard
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I take your point Bernard, but if we stopped everything that people abused, we wouldn't have much of anything. My only regret is that I can't find a decent 'pint' near to where I live. :(
 
For those of you who were unable to buy a copy or just missed the story in last nights Mail. Here it is. If you can't read it just download it and enlarge it.

Phil

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pmc1947 said:
For those of you who were unable to buy a copy or just missed the story in last nights Mail. Here it is. If you can't read it just download it and enlarge it.

Phil
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Phill, thanks for posting that - I didn't see the Evening Mail yesterday - I just found a small article in The Times. They're a strange looking bunch aren't they!
Polly :)
 
:553:And there was i thinking it was a new phenomenon it must be in our blood or should i say glass,cheers :)
 
It's the chap in the bowler that gets me, I know I shouldn't take the Michael (especially with my eyes) but he looks as if he can see to the front and the side both ways at once. I wouldn't fancy bumping in to him at night down a dark alley.

Phil
 
pmc1947 said:
It's the chap in the bowler that gets me, I know I shouldn't take the Michael (especially with my eyes) but he looks as if he can see to the front and the side both ways at once. I wouldn't fancy bumping in to him at night down a dark alley.

Phil
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Handy when your driving,if your mirrors are not good lol
 
actually when you look through the 80+ people on the list it is quite sad. they look so ragged and desolate. when you read the ages of some of them you cannot believe it. they look 20 or 30yrs older. many have all sorts of scars and sores on their faces and some have no homes.
 
Shera said:
actually when you look through the 80+ people on the list it is quite sad. they look so ragged and desolate. when you read the ages of some of them you cannot believe it. they look 20 or 30yrs older. many have all sorts of scars and sores on their faces and some have no homes.
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Shera of course it is sad,i know i was making light of it, but its like people who are alcoholics today it is very sad, i don't believe anybody really chooses to live their life that way,and you will notice that people with addictions do tend to look older than their years,and generally don't look after their appearance,and often end up homeless
 
hi elizabeth, i didnt mind you making light of it, :) id be the first to have a joke about them as well, but when i had another look i felt a bit guilty :rolleyes:
 
Shera said:
hi elizabeth, i didnt mind you making light of it, :) id be the first to have a joke about them as well, but when i had another look i felt a bit guilty :rolleyes:
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Yes i know what you mean,and life was probably much harder then,
 
pollypops said:
I wonder how they could afford to drink in such hard times?
Polly
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It was probably much cheaper and i wouldn't mind betting stronger,people who drink to excess will find the money one way or another
 
Shera said:
heres a couple of the pics to show how awful some of them looked
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Thanks for posting the pictures. They do look very down on their luck - The man looks much older than 34.
I am baffled by the descriptions ........... fresh complexions and ordinary noses.
Polly
 
The following is taken from a book,Birmingham,The Sinister Side
Ellen Jackson Occupation-Seamstress.Married
Criminal Record September 1871-December 1872
Age 47. Height 5'3". Complexion-Sallow: Scar over left eye:missing upper tooth.
Address:Back of Buck Road,B'ham
18/09/71 Drunk and riotous sentenced to 7 days
31/10/71 Wilful Damage sentenced to 1 month Hard Labour
17/01/72 Obscene Language sentenced to 14 days
17/02/72 Drunk and riotous sentenced to 1 month
18/03/72 Want of Status sentenced to 6 weeks
29/04/72 Drunk and riotous sentenced to 1 month
05/09/72 Drunk and riotous sentenced to 14 days
02/11/72 Drunk and riotous sentenced to 14 days
16/11/72 Drunk and riotous sentenced to 1 month
16/12/72 simple Larceny sentenced to 3 months
 
GER22VAN said:
Polly, I had seen some of those in the Central Library when I used to be able to get there, I thought the one about being drunk in charge of a steam engine very funny, although I did have steam roller in mind , can you imagine it ?
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I guess it would be one way of saying " I will flatten anyone who comes near me."
 
Elizabeth Redmond said:
:553:And there was i thinking it was a new phenomenon it must be in our blood or should i say glass,cheers :)
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I think it may well be, as you say ''in our blood'' - even the Roman's complained about the 'binge-drinking' habits of the Brits....it didn't much change with the coming of the Saxons, if anything, it became worse! There are many references from 'abroad' as to the excessive drinking of the British throughout the medieval period and down to the reign of Queen Elizabeth 1st......both the Spanish and French Ambassadors made frequent comment upon the subject! After that, apart from a brief lull (?) during the 'Protectorate' of Oliver Cromwell, it became even more of a problem, right up to the change in the licensing laws during the First World War! And now, our clever, all-knowing Government saw fit to reintroduce those self-same 24 hour licensing hours in an attempt to combat excessive drinking!!! It beggars belief!

So yes, although 'alcoholism' is no worse here, than in many European countries, we are nevertheless the World Champion 'binge-drinkers' ....and I think it is indeed 'in the blood'....perhaps there is a 'brewer's gene' in there somewhere?!?
 
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