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Interesting trackwork on the right-hand side! The 'six-foot', the space between adjacent lines, is considerably smaller than the 'four-foot', the space between a set of running rails. Either the artist has made a mistake or the two tracks serve different purposes. Perhaps the left-hand track is for 'end loading' coaches, as per the one at the end of the train on the far-left? With the release of the new Hornby 'Rocket' due this month this picture might form the basis of a neat period layout!
No, can't be because the track leaving the station is standard gauge. There would be no point in having a tiny bit of broad gauge in the station. Besides broad gauge was a Brunel idea used on the GWR, never on the L&BR.
DavidGrain
master brummie
The plan was for GWR to run into Curzon Street but that never happened and in any event that would have been long after 1838. Remember this was a drawing and perspective is not easy.
For more about the GWR plans to run to Curzon Street see this thread
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A little ironic that the HS2 station will be close to the GWR lines at Moor Street Station and the two stations will be connected by a footbridge.
For more about the GWR plans to run to Curzon Street see this thread
Unused railway "arm" in Digbeth.
I was walking down Fazeley St in Digbeth a few weeks ago and you walk under a disused railway "arm" that comes out of the line that goes into Moor St station. It crosses Allcock St and Liverpool St then goes over the canal, then just ends. This is it here...
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A little ironic that the HS2 station will be close to the GWR lines at Moor Street Station and the two stations will be connected by a footbridge.
DavidGrain
master brummie
Yes perspective is not good as that is the engine release line to allow the loco that brought the train into the station to run round its train.
The excellent warwickshirerailways.com website perhaps provides the answer (and some good contemporary descriptions of the station).
Here is the 1838 layout, consisting of six roads linked by 12' turntables. The roads must be sensibly placed if only to fit the turntables in. From a modeller's point of view the whole lot could be accomodated in the length of four modern coaches!
It would appear that right from the start central Birmingham has suffered from lack of railway capacity.
Here is the 1838 layout, consisting of six roads linked by 12' turntables. The roads must be sensibly placed if only to fit the turntables in. From a modeller's point of view the whole lot could be accomodated in the length of four modern coaches!
It would appear that right from the start central Birmingham has suffered from lack of railway capacity.
DavidGrain
master brummie
I think an important point which is often overlooked is that the building that we know as Curzon Street Station was not in fact the station but was the hotel named The Queen Victoria. The station offices including ticket offices were inside the gate to the left of the hotel alongside the departure platform.
DavidGrain
master brummie
Yes on Facebook. Was originally posted on another Facebook page out of our area
A further comment on this Facebook post thinks it was a 16 lane loco shed with the turntable in the middle.
A further comment on this Facebook post thinks it was a 16 lane loco shed with the turntable in the middle.
Radiorails
master brummie
Warwickshire railways has information about the engine shed, which I assume is the one mentioned here ib the previous posts. There were a few small turntables scattered around the goods yard and areas of Curzon Street.
DavidGrain
master brummie
Thanks Mike for the old maps. When New Street station opened the loco depot was moved from Curzon Street to Monument Lane so the loco shed was demolished.
mw0njm.
A Brummie Dude
well pete if we had a council that cared about preserving the cities heritage then i would like to think so BUT knowing what we know and have seen over the years it will most likely be at best infilled ...at worst ripped up and chucked in the skip...if it did go to tysley then i for one would be absolutely delighted
lyn
mw0njm.
A Brummie Dude
well said lyn.
never know someone might have it, fingers crossed.hey.
Radiorails
master brummie
Known as a wagon turntable. There were a few of them scattered around the depot as the maps show.
DavidGrain
master brummie
Lyn, that is a wagon turntable from the goods station. The one that has been discovered is for railway locos and would have been much larger in the centre of a circular building, actually in this case a 16 sided building
mw0njm.
A Brummie Dude
DavidGrain
master brummie
This is a photo of the Barrow Hill Roundhouse near Chesterfield built originally in 1870 which will give some idea of what might have been there.
Radiorails
master brummie
Lyn, those wagon turntables were rarely seen at a passenger stations so maybe that's why they are unfamiliar to you. Larger yards like the good yards - note plural - at Curzon Street (also Bordesley, Camp Hill and Hockley) had a few as various types of wagon were dealt with in different parts of the depot - e.g. fruits, fish, aggregates, coal and so on.
DavidGrain
master brummie
Also those old wagon turntables would never have had locos going over them. The wagons would have been much small than present railway wagons and would have been shunted either by a gang of men or by a horse.