CCSM ? Meaning

[aston lad]

Hi All I am wondering if any one knowns what CCSM stands for on an old army address tag, the tag belonged to a the grandfather of a friend of mine, he has all his army records and details but not sure what the CCSM is for, I have checked out certain military sites but found nothing, thanks in advance

 

[MWS]

Something Sergeant Major? One of the Cs being Company maybe.

 

[Astoness]

hi john could the first letter be O rather than C pity there is a crease running through the letter

lyn

 

[aston lad]

My first reaction was Company Colour Sargent Major, he was a Sargent Major during WW1

 

[Vivienne14]

Aston Barracks was the HQ of the 8th Battalion (Territorial Army) Royal Warwickshire Regiment in Witton Road in 1906 until 1939. Then it was the 46 Battalion of the Home Guard then, in 1947 back to the TA Airborne Reg. It closed down in 1956.

 

[Vivienne14]

Did he get a 'Campaign Service Medal' (CSM) ?

 

[pjmburns]

My first reaction was Company Colour Sargent Major, he was a Sargent Major during WW1

That would have been my guess

 

[Vivienne14]

Yes agree that looks most likely - must be a 'C' on the crease.

 

[pjmburns]

Only concern is:
Rank seems to go Colour Sergeant then Company Sergeant Major.
(Checked my g grandfather's record). It doesn't seem to have Colour, Sergeant and Major together with Company.

 

[Donbogen]

Unusual set up in Name
Wm i have seen that before a name on free mason paperwork
CSM/Company Sargent Major
RSM/ Regimental Sargent Major
CS/Colour Sargent or Colour as they were called
Company Colour Sargent Major i don't recall that rank
they did have civvies working in barracks

 

[Pedrocut]

There was an address Park Place, Elkington Street, but does not tie in to anything military. There was a Civil Defence, Elkington Street, Ambulance Service Depot.

 

[Eric Gibson]

I wonder if that's really nothing to do with the military, maybe a civvy professional qualification, letters after his name such as FRS (Fellow of the Royal Society) or similar, there are lots of them.

 

[Donbogen]

I wonder if that's really nothing to do with the military, maybe a civvy professional qualification, letters after his name such as FRS (Fellow of the Royal Society) or similar, there are lots of them.

Yes a civvy the more i think about it

 

[pjmburns]

There was an address Park Place, Elkington Street, but does not tie in to anything military. There was a Civil Defence, Elkington Street, Ambulance Service Depot.

William H Yats lived at 3 Park Place Elkington Street on the 1950 eroll with , his son and I think his son's wife.

 

[Vivienne14]

What date was the business card ?

There's a thread about Aston Barracks - link below. It mentions the Barracks being sold to the Post Office in the 1960s. Could Yates have been a PO employee ?

Thread 'Aston Barracks'

Mar 26, 2007

In all my years of research into the Royal Warwickshire Regiment Territorial Battalions I have never come accross a photograph showing Aston Barracks the home of the 8th Battalion, The Royal Warwicks. I have been told that once upon a time you could see the drill square from the Witton End of Villa Park (wash my mouth with soap & water ). So has anyone out there in Forum Land got any pictures of the Aston Drill Hall ?

Terry

• terry carter
• Replies: 42
• Forum: World War 1

 

[chocks2]

I would suggest that the first letter is a "G" which would make it the official rank of Garrison Company Sergeant Major.

 

[pjmburns]

According to the absent voters register of 1918 he was a Company Sergeant Major
Living New John street West at the time

 

[pjmburns]

What date was the business card ?

There's a thread about Aston Barracks - link below. It mentions the Barracks being sold to the Post Office in the 1960s. Could Yates have been a PO employee ?

Thread 'Aston Barracks'

Mar 26, 2007

In all my years of research into the Royal Warwickshire Regiment Territorial Battalions I have never come accross a photograph showing Aston Barracks the home of the 8th Battalion, The Royal Warwicks. I have been told that once upon a time you could see the drill square from the Witton End of Villa Park (wash my mouth with soap & water ). So has anyone out there in Forum Land got any pictures of the Aston Drill Hall ?

Terry

• terry carter
• Replies: 42
• Forum: World War 1

He is listed at 3/51 Elkington Street (I assume this is the same property later called Park Place) on the 1939 register.

 

[Donbogen]

I did hear of the rank GSM i think they were WO1
but not in infantry regiments and other units i served in or with

 

[Donbogen]

When billeted in Garrison ie Aldershot Tidworth etc
we were tenant soldiers even though we were stationed there

 

[Donbogen]

After thought
Barracks are not a Garrison
a Garrison contains multiple barracks
well all the Garrisons i was at did
ie Whitington barracks was my Depot
up to 4 Regiments there
it was a Barracks not a Garrison

 

[Vivienne14]

He is listed at 3/51 Elkington Street (I assume this is the same property later called Park Place) on the 1939 register.
View attachment 199156

"Fitter at Tool Room PO"? Post Office ?

My first thought when I saw the card/tag was that it might have been about 1930s/40s date wise.

 

[Pedrocut]

In December 1951 two Corporation buses collided in Moseley and among the injured was a William Henry Yates of Elkington Street, Aston.
Another report says 3/51 Ellington street, bruises to the head.

 

[Vivienne14]

There's a page about the 46 Battalion Home Guard which might be useful if we find, for certain, Mr Yates' connection with Aston Barracks The site includes photos of those attending the HG stand down dinner in 1944. Pity there aren't names attached to the photos. http://www.staffshomeguard.co.uk/DotherReminiscences81Handsworth.htm

The barracks were allegedly used by Post Office Telephones as a depot in the 1950s. One member on another thread remembers cycling to the Barracks in Witton Road to work at Post Office Telephones at the Barracks in 1956.

Presumably, Aston Barracks and Witton Barracks are the same barracks. We have BHF threads for both. I've already posted a link to the Aston Barracks thread in post #15. Here's the Witton Barracks link, which seems, to me, to be the same barracks.

Post in thread 'Witton Barracks'

Mar 6, 2020

I had looked down on Aston Barracks from the earth embankment at the top of the Witton End at Villa Park, but know little about it. It looks like the Barracks were part of the Lower Grounds and leased around 1908 by Edward Ansell, for the formation of the Aston Battalion of the Territorials. It was the Recruiting Officefor Aston during the Great War.

• Pedrocut

 

[Eric Gibson]

I keep looking at the photos hoping to see one of my granddad Charles Coughlin, he was in the South Staffs all through WW1 and in the home guard but I don't know which regiment in WW2.

 

[Vivienne14]

Is it really a letter (C or G or O) on the fold/crease of the card ? Could it be that the card is deteriorating and breaking away at that point on the that fold/crease ? Thereby leaving just the letters CSM ? If you zoom in on it, it's a very irregular shape for a letter.

Just another possibility.

 

[Radiorails]

According to the absent voters register of 1918 he was a Company Sergeant Major
Living New John street West at the time
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This explanation was given by Janice.

 

[Astoness]

Is it really a letter (C or G or O) on the fold/crease of the card ? Could it be that the card is deteriorating and breaking away at that point on the that fold/crease ? Thereby leaving just the letters CSM ? If you zoom in on it, it's a very irregular letter shape.

Just another possibility.

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similar suggestion i made at the start of the thread viv...the more i look the more i do not think its the letter C but of course cant be certain..quite a mystery

lyn

 

[Vivienne14]

But I'm suggesting something very different, that there is no ietter Lyn. I think it might be a tear/the card breaking away. As I said, just leaving the letters CSM.

 

[pjmburns]

Surely that can be checked by the person who has the original?