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Can anyone identify this Birmingham house, please?
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pjmburns
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Interestingly an Edward Lingard Stevens is listed in 1897 Kelly's at Rosedale, St Agnes Road Moseley. (Is this a coincidence?) I have done a google "walk" and don't think the house is there. If Morturn sees this he might be able to see if there is a house still called that.
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273 Moseley Road also went by the name of ‘Drayton house ladies college’ for Mrs Lingard’s school in 1882.
An observation. Preparing ladies for Cambridge exams at this time must have been quite advanced. Viv.
An observation. Preparing ladies for Cambridge exams at this time must have been quite advanced. Viv.
Well, as shown on the map on post 23, it is one of three houses. Below is a larger scale version. None of these three would seem very like the photo, so I am convinced it is not this address. In answer to your question, these houses were all demolished a while ago, and the block is now a row of relatively modern shops
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Here is site of 272 Moseley road today
Yes, certainly it's of family-history interest to me. Many thanks.
My wife did some research on the house names in St Agnes Road and identified 39 as Rosedale. The house is still there today opposite the church. This is one of the phots she uncovered.
Eric Gibson
master brummie
Obviously not the same house Morturn but I wonder if we are being mislead by the black and white original photo, what if it were coloured and shown as red brick instead of the grey look?
Radiorails
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The architecture of 39 St. Agnes Road is quite different to the house in the first post. It think it unlikely significant alternations would have been made.
brummy-lad
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I was thinking why would somebody choose the house name of 'Rosedale', perhaps that's where they originated from.
This is a census record for Alfred Lingard 1871 living in Rosedale East Side Yorkshire, could be significant and indeed you may well have already considered this. Leeman Grove is now called School Row
This is a census record for Alfred Lingard 1871 living in Rosedale East Side Yorkshire, could be significant and indeed you may well have already considered this. Leeman Grove is now called School Row
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Thank you, and your wife, though I'm bound to say there is a very great deal of difference between the two houses. Of course it's hard to say whether or not a very large renovation, or more than one, took place in the interim, but if this IS the same house, every window has been changed (except perhaps the one over the front door), the attic so augmented as to be a whole extra storey, and more, plus of course the style has changed from modest Victorian to grander Victorian downstrairs and faux-Tudor above it. So I'm grateful but would be interested in how she worked out that this was it.
Yes - he was the grandson of George Lingard, so I'm pleased to learn that he was in St Agnes Road in 1897: thank you.
michael i am sure you must have this info but just in case...the probate for georges wife eliz ann lingard was 28th jan 1887 wife of george lingard late of the "firs" trafalgar road moseley..granted to the said george lingard of the firs...coffin manufacturer...estate was £903 12s 4d
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Hi Lyn - Actually I hadn't got round to searching for that, so thank you for giving me the information first! (It makes sense too, but also gives me a previously unknown address for them at the time of her death.)
Brilliant, Lyn: I'm obliged.
happy to help.. does not help with identifying the mystery house but i was just trying to get a feel for the family i also noticed that georges dad also named george was also a coffin furniture maker address snow hill at the time of georges baptism in 1832...so he followed in dads footsteps
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Interesting thread and good to see BHF members have gone at it with gusto. Looking at the original post there is something niggling away in my mind. It just doesn't look right. I think it looks more rural. Could be wrong but I just get that feeling.
yes it could well be more rural kieron...we had another member post an old photo a couple of months ago..probably dated about the same as this one but try as we may we could not find a firm location for it...the only thing we could do was to prove it was not taken in the location that the member thought it could have been...if only folk had written on the back of these old photos..
my dad was a stickler for it so i am quite lucky that i know whos who and where taken on my old family photos...something may still turn up though...never say never
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my dad was a stickler for it so i am quite lucky that i know whos who and where taken on my old family photos...something may still turn up though...never say neverlyn
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There is some nice domestic architecture in that road. The front gardens generally extend quite a distance from the road whereas this house seems to have a smaller plot at the front.
Grea
master brummie
I thought that too. I also worked in this road for a few years and can’t say I can place it
I've now solved the house mystery - and Keiron, you were right: it was indeed more rural. I tracked it down to Fladbury, Worcestershire, and (a) it's where George Lingard's second wife died (Fladbury was her home town) and (b) the house still exists, altered but still recognisable. Many thanks, therefore, to all who helped and tried to help.
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