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Brogan family

Wean Brogan

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Hello, new here so not sure if I'm in the right place, apologies if I'm not.
Does anyone know anything about the Brogan family lived a few doors from The Pump public house, either Sutherland Street or Montague Street. There were two boys, Danny and James, one of which my father. Thank you in advance.
Would have been waaay back around mid-late 40's ? Father of the family called James, Mother Elizabeth.
 
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There are a James and Edith Brogan living at 35 Sutherland St on ERs and 1939 register. They marry in the Liverpool area and appear to have to sons, James H and Daniel.
 
There are a James and Edith Brogan living at 35 Sutherland St on ERs and 1939 register. They marry in the Liverpool area and appear to have to sons, James H and Daniel.
Thank you, I remembered the name was Edith not Elizabeth ! My father was James Henry and they came from Liverpool so it must be them. Thank you again.
 
James (father) was born in Bham to a Scottish father. Edith was from Liverpool. James Henry was born in Liverpool and Daniel in Bham.
 
This is wonderful - thank you. As I said I am new to this and have tried in the past to find out about my family with no luck. Thank you for your time !
 
Do you want more?

Daniel Brogan was a private in the Dragoons. He has 2 listings on the 1891 census, one with his wife and her family and the other at the Cavalry Barracks on Great Brook St.

There appears that there may be army records for him.
 
Daniel was born 1865 in Maryhill, Glasgow the son of Daniel Brogan and Maria Batt. He was born in Maryhill, she in Ireland.

He married Emma Bradley in 1890 at St Barnabas.

Emma was b1873 Bham, the daughter of Henry and Sarah Bradley, both born Bham.
 
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Edith Maud Hale was born Maghull, Lancs the youngest daughter of Henry Hale and Margaret Hampson. They were both from Lancashire.

James Brogan and Edith Maud Hale married Lancs in 1917.

James had at least 6 brothers and a sister.

Edith had at least 3 brothers and 4 sisters.
 
Wow, such a lot to take in, and to think a short while ago I knew none of this ! I'm going to have to get this all sorted in order, - so many relations too !! thanks again
 
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It looks like James possibly had 5 more sisters, 3 of whom died young.

Strangely, on the 1921 census James and Edith are with their parents at 320 Long Acre. Also listed there are his brothers, Timothy, John and Robert, and his nephews, Daniel and James, sons of his eldest brother Daniel. Not listed is his son, James Henry, his brother, George, or any of his sisters, Agnes, Violet and Maria. I can only see the transcript, so they may be on the scan and omitted for some reason.

No idea where Daniel (brother) is or what happened to him. Timothy is still living on Long Acre in 1939 though a different address.
 
A bit of a mystery there then ? they certainly had a lot of children in those days didn't they ? I do appreciate that you are taking the time to do this for me, it is fascinating ! Thank you.
 
Daniel Brogan born 1893 married Elsie Hamilton in Aston 1912.

Daniel Brogan , of Ladywood , Nechells was serving with the Royal Warwickshire regiment and was killed in action on 28th february 1916, he is commemorated at Foncquevillers cemetery France , his effects were sent to his widow Elsie they were £2. 8 s
Curiously his next of kin for his army pension is not his widow but Daniel Brogan of 320 Longacre , Nechells birmingham.
 
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This is amazing ! Thank you so much.
Interesting about the pension ?
So is it just me, or do any of you feel a 'connection' and/or sadness when finding out these facts ?
 
This is amazing ! Thank you so much.
Interesting about the pension ?
So is it just me, or do any of you feel a 'connection' and/or sadness when finding out these facts ?
A mix. Connection as they are our "history" - the way our ancestors lived shaped the way we are today. Also a sadness for some of the things they went through but which, undoubtedly, made them stronger.
 
With regards the next of kin for Daniel Brogan not being his wife. It is possible that she re-married in 1917, and may be the reason their children are with their grandparents rather than her.

Assuming the children missing from the 1921 census were also living at 320 Long Acre then it would have quite crowded there around that time.
 
Various others appear over the years - George (1930), Marie (1939), Robert (1927).
James Henry seems to be down as Henry unless they are two different people
 
There was a Henry, third eldest child of Daniel & Emma.

In 1935, I'd assume Daniel the younger would be the grandson of Daniel the elder (Daniel's son) and Violet, Daniel the elder's daughter.
 
Thanks again.
It seems the Brogans lived mostly in Birmingham areas, but my father, James Henry, was born in Liverpool. His younger brother (Daniel - too many Daniels confuse this issue !) was born in Birmingham so they must have moved back again at some point. Is it possible to find out when James Henry's and Daniel's parents moved up to Liverpool (don't suppose its possible to find out why is it ?) and then when did they move back down again to Brum ?
Once again all this information is greatly appreciated and is helping me to piece together some family history.
It seems I have been promoted to a proper Brummie Kid - Great ! although I don't live there anymore I'm always a Brummie at heart.
 
Until James Brogan married Edith in 1917, there appears to be no connection between the Brogan family and Liverpool. It also appears that James Henry was born before they were married.

On the 1911 census James was in Bham and by the 1921 census he was back. Edith was born in the area and was living there on the 1911 census.

I would think the most likely reason they met was WWI, possibly because James was stationed or convalesced in the Liverpool area or Edith was a nurse maybe. If James was in the War (likely) then it is possible that he never lived there and Edith stayed with her family until the war was over and she joined James in Bham when he was demobbed.

That's just speculation, difficult to prove one way or the other. I can't see any service records for him but that's not unusual as many were destroyed. He possible has a MRIC which puts him in the Royal Warks Reg. like his brother. Their marriage certificate may help, James' abode and occupation would be interesting, though people did tell little fibs.
 
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Until James Brogan married Edith in 1917, there appears to be no connection between the Brogan family and Liverpool. It also appears that James Henry was born before they were married.

On the 1911 census James was in Bham and by the 1921 census he was back. Edith was born in the area and was living there on the 1911 census.

I would think the most likely reason they met was WWI, possibly because James was stationed or convalesced in the Liverpool area or Edith was a nurse maybe. If James was in the War (likely) then it is possible that he never lived there and Edith stayed with her family until the war was over and she joined James in Bham when he was demobbed.

That's just speculation, difficult to prove one way or the other. I can't see any service records for him but that's not unusual as many were destroyed. He possible has a MRIC which puts him in the Royal Warks Reg. like his brother. Their marriage certificate may help, James' abode and occupation would be interesting, though people did tell little fibs.
'It also appears that James Henry was born before they were married' - o0h er ! a bit naughty in those days eh ?
I think your speculation makes good sense. I will have to do some digging here. Thank you once again for your help.
 
I don't know the year of my fathers birth (James Henry Brogan) or when and where he and my mother were married, (Irene Smith, 918 Alum Rock Road, Ward End) how can I find this out please?
 
James Henry Brogan was born 5 Apr 1917. Irene was born 19 Feb 1921 (d of George Smith & Lilian Elizabeth Jones).

James and Irene's marriage was registered Mar qtr 1942 Bham. To find the exact date and place you would need the marriage certificate.
 
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