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Brearley Street Newtown.

brummy-lad said:
You're not being dim at all, it's complicated, I was confused too, that's why I thought I should clarify where Court 29 was in 1891. The courts marked in red were the numbers used prior to renumbering the street which must have happened before 1889 (the map date).
Originally the house numbers were sequential starting on the north side of Brearley Street at Newtown Row, the court numbers were also sequential.
They then changed and used odd numbers on the north side and even numbers on the south side, they also changed the court numbering to match i.e. 1, 3, 5 etc. north side and 2, 4, 6 etc. south side.

I don't know if you've used this website for maps, it's very useful but a bit difficult to get to grips with.

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Many thanks for your reply, that makes perfect sense.
 
brummy-lad said:
You're not being dim at all, it's complicated, I was confused too, that's why I thought I should clarify where Court 29 was in 1891. The courts marked in red were the numbers used prior to renumbering the street which must have happened before 1889 (the map date).
Originally the house numbers were sequential starting on the north side of Brearley Street at Newtown Row, the court numbers were also sequential.
They then changed and used odd numbers on the north side and even numbers on the south side, they also changed the court numbering to match i.e. 1, 3, 5 etc. north side and 2, 4, 6 etc. south side.

I don't know if you've used this website for maps, it's very useful but a bit difficult to get to grips with.

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I didn't know the 1:500 Town plan maps where on there too!
 
brummy-lad said:
You're not being dim at all, it's complicated, I was confused too, that's why I thought I should clarify where Court 29 was in 1891. The courts marked in red were the numbers used prior to renumbering the street which must have happened before 1889 (the map date).
Originally the house numbers were sequential starting on the north side of Brearley Street at Newtown Row, the court numbers were also sequential.
They then changed and used odd numbers on the north side and even numbers on the south side, they also changed the court numbering to match i.e. 1, 3, 5 etc. north side and 2, 4, 6 etc. south side.

I don't know if you've used this website for maps, it's very useful but a bit difficult to get to grips with.

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To add to this, which might seem a bit strange , and was not followed in most other streets that renumbered. In his case, which was between the Kellys of 1883 and 1884, Brearley St and Brearley St West (which were before separate), were combined, and otherwise there might have been duplicate court numbers in the same street
 
What a lovely c1920s photo on Brearley Street ! All smiling for the camera (well almost all), the mangle under the cover, the two little ones giving it their best pose, the girl clutching something precious, Mum looks to be holding something too. Maybe they've just returned from the local shop ? Looks like a spur of the moment photo.

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one of my favourite photos viv...from memory i think the lady could be from the settlement or some other organisation ie the welfare or provvy but i could be wrong...think its already been posted under the larger thread for brearley st which is here..this thread is maps and mapping


changinman1

Post in thread 'Brearley Street Newtown.'

Hi can any one see of there were any Field family members in Brearley street between 1850 and 1900 , im sure there was , if so what no did they live at as they are my direct paternal decedents
 
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Thanks Lyn. Shall merge the two threads. Yes it's already been posted in #160. This is a better copy, so shall leave it in my post.
 
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Vivienne14 said:
What a lovely c1920s photo on Brearley Street ! All smiling for the camera (well almost all), the mangle under the cover, the two little ones giving it their best pose, the girl clutching something precious, Mum looks to be holding something too. Maybe they've just returned from the local shop ? Looks like a spur of the moment photo.

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What a great photo. My Gran lived there in the early 1920s with her 4 children at number 138 just after she’d been widowed at the age of 29 She’d been born there too at number 10 Court 3.
 
Astoness said:
coronation day celebrations outside the rose and crown corner of brearley st and hospital street..
ive been waiting for ages in the hope someone may recognise anyone in this picture..

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The lady to the far right looks so like my great grandmother Rosannah Ratchford married name Gibbons ,
 
Two threads about Brearley Street have been merged into this one. There may be earlier unseen posts.
 
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hi CPDR im not sure of the date as our member mikejee sent it to me but its probably 1950s...if he sees this post he may let us know for certain..did you have rellies living there?

lyn
 
Thank you, trying to trace our old factory on Brearley Street and just looking for maps and photos of the area.
 
CPDR said:
Thank you, trying to trace our old factory on Brearley Street and just looking for maps and photos of the area.
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ok just a little info..there are 2 brearley streets one in newtown which this thread is about and one in smethwick so make sure you have the correct one..if we can help let us know just give us the name of the factory and years you are looking at

lyn
 
Thank you so much Lyn that is very kind. Definitely this one in Newtown, the company is Frederick Cooper Enamellers and Coaters (not Frederick Cooper the steel company that I think were in West Brom?). Frederick Cooper Birmingham Limited is listed at 9-15 Brearley Street, Newtown in 1936 and prior to that in King Alfred's Place.
We are still going today at Bordesley Green and Prince Albert street, we recently acquired the former National Express/Gallaghers site, and are doing a lot of development. We actually today have just uncovered an old air raid shelter, I am trying to piece together the history of the company and also of all the factories we have occupied. I would love to find any old photos of any of the sites but think I need to spend some time at the archives. Any help or information I would be incredibly grateful for, I have found some great articles and service records of former staff killed in the war, hopefully one day I can put it all together and we are planning to have a permanent exhibition open to the public (eventually). Thanks again, Chris.
 
ok chris happy to help...so could we start first but asking someone to post a map showing where no 9 to 15 brearley st was please...i have a feeling its going to be at the newtown row end..once we have established the exact spot maybe our member brummy lad may be able to find an overhead arial view of the factory

also some of our members are subscribed to the british newspaper archives and maybe able to do a search for you for anything about frederick cooper birmingham ltd. brearley st

in the mean while i will go through this thread and also my photos to see if we may have one showing 9 to 15 brearley st...

ps would love to see a photo of that old air raid shelter you have uncovered if possible ..thanks

lyn
 
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Astoness said:
ok chris happy to help...so could we start first but asking someone to post a map showing where no 9 to 15 brearley st was please...i have a feeling its going to be at the newtown row end..once we have established the exact spot maybe our member brummy lad may be able to find an overhead arial view of the factory

also some of our members are subscribed to the british newspaper archives and maybe able to do a search for you for anything about frederick cooper birmingham ltd. brearley st

in the mean while i will go through this thread and also my photos to see if we may have one showing 9 to 15 brearley st...

ps would love to see a photo of that old air raid shelter you have uncovered if possible ..thanks

lyn
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Brilliant thanks you so much. I took a couple of pictures today but we will put some lights down tomorrow and better ones to catalogue it. Old bed frames and some fire fighting equipment from the 1940's looking at the dates. There are a couple of decent sized rooms, and I think the last few occupants Gallaghers and Birmingham+ Blackburn construction company used for storage. Looking at a couple of records that have survived my guess is that is was last used in 1964 so nobody has seen any of this for a very long time.
 

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hi chris i think the discovery of the old air raid shelter deserves its own thread so could you post your updated photos and any other info on there please...just click on the link below.. and keep your eye on this thread for hopefully a bit more info on the frederick cooper factory

lyn

Astoness

Thread 'national express and gallaghers bordesley green'

hi folks i am starting this new thread for member CPDR (chris) who has recently taken over the over site and has just undercovered an old underground air raid shelter...i will copy and paste his posts and some photos he has taken and he has said he will try and get some better photos tomorrow...what a find chris..i would be tempted to save some of the things you have found because this is real history...

lyn

below is a post made by chris on another thread and the 2 photos he managed to take so far

I took a couple of pictures today but we will put some lights down tomorrow and better...
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thats great john thanks...although frontages a tad obscured we can clearly see the building... could be the best we are going to get at the min

lyn
 
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