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Bomb damage in unidentified streets

Hi Chris,
The house with the extension is in Mossvale Grove marked in the view below. I have also marked the house I now think it is in Haycroft Ave. I have lifted houses (plan view) from the 1938 map and superimposed them in position in the view below. Presumably they were demolished to make way for the school. I think it was these old houses with slate roofs which are visible through the gap in the bombing photo.
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oldmohawk
 
Not sure this helps but on this 1949 map I have marked the house No. 33 where James Searle (as per #148) was injured. The large gap by the detached house seems to be a path leading to Glenpark road. The houses must have been new in the 1940 raids as they do not appear on the 1938 map although the road is named.
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Would it be Clark’s Cables, Nechells ? Corner of Nechells Park Road ? Viv.
 

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In the 1940 Kellys there is a Clifford Hollings, dining rooms at 69 Edgbaston st and a Elsei hollings dining rooms at 8½Bordesley St, and a Hilda Hollings, dining rooms at 40 Park road aston. but none of these would seem to fit the photo
 
Clarks Cables seems a possible business for the warehouse although I would have expected to see the name 'Clarks Cables Warehouse' on the building. I'm looking at old maps of St Clements Road but there do not seem to be any buildings where it joins Nechells Park Road.
 
This is the position I was referring to Phil. Not sure, but the buildings seem to be set back. Viv.
 

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That was where I was looking Viv. A rounded corner but that dark wall looks old as if it has been there for very many years. I have looked at a 1946 aerial view of that corner and there is a railway line there which isn't there now. I think the dark wall was part of a bridge.
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THere are other possible sites along St Clements Road. Wonder if we can pinpoint the exact address - no number given on the advert. But there are a few other distinct ‘curved’ positions along the road. Viv.
 
Viv

I think you will find that particular corner of St Clements Road was part of the bridge over the railway track that Crossed under Nechells Park Road, and in fact a siding down to Saltley Gas works ran under that corner at one time.
 
The location you are looking for is the corner of Edgbaston Street and Gloucester Street.

18 Clark E. H. & Co. Ltd. who. smallware dlrs
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Thanks Phil. Perhaps the 'smallware' was what interested the young lads and others poking around in the building even before the fireman and other workers had finished with it as seen below.
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The actual building which fronted the Rag Market must have been rebuilt, as this photo dated 1959 shows. At first I thought there must be a mistake in the dating, but looking at the cars they match that date approximately and are definitely not pre war.

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Phil said:
The actual building which fronted the Rag Market must have been rebuilt, as this photo dated 1959 shows. At first I thought there must be a mistake in the dating, but looking at the cars they match that date approximately and are definitely not pre war.

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In the 60s. and probably before, there used to be a Hollings Cafe in Jamaica Row next door to Turners seed merchants. This was a row of shops opposite the wholesale market and adjacent to the Rag market.
After a little more thought the cafe's name could have been Daniels. Sorry.
 
Phil said:
The actual building which fronted the Rag Market must have been rebuilt, as this photo dated 1959 shows. At first I thought there must be a mistake in the dating, but looking at the cars they match that date approximately and are definitely not pre war.

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I notice Hollings Café is still there.

Clarks Warehouse as can be seen in this aerial pic dated 1948.
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The building can be seen (top left) in this 1968 view up Gloucester St.
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But it's gone now ...
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The 'Clarks' building was a substantially built fairly modern building. at the time of bombing, so it was probably better to renovate than rebuild. Given the shortages of construction materials after WW2 I guess that was the best idea at the time.
 
oldMohawk said:
Following Morturn's lead ....

My maternal grandparents lived in Broomhill Rd near Dovedale Rd in houses similar to those shown in the photo. I remember the single large front bedrooms, but I can't recall any bomb damage in that area. Most of the old houses have since been demolished and replaced with modern housing. The demolitions were probably due structural trouble with the system built housing.

So moving to Pype Hayes ....

Typical housing in that area built in the 1920s. Note the large bay windows and the single bedroom windows as in Viv's image 15.
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The aerial view below dated 1926 shows Paget Rd (2) and note the terrace block (1). I can just make out the bay windows. It looks as if the housing is newly built and Paget Rd is curved as in Viv's image 15.
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This area-view below dated 1945 from Google shows Paget Rd (2) with Tyburn Rd (3) on the right. Where the terrace block (1) was in the 1926 image now appears to be a space - maybe a bombsite! The apparent diagonal stripes across Paget Rd are shadows from the house chimneys and there are no shadows where the terrace block (1) was.
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Some time in the 1990s I drove through that area and remember seeing houses being demolished possibly because of structural problems. A Google Earth 1999 view shows the sites cleared and later GE views show there are modern houses in situ.

All speculation ... but maybe there are records of bombing which may, or may not confirm the above theories ... :)

Since noticed some mention of Paget Road and bombing in a forum thread here https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/paget-rd-pype-hayes.11690/page-2#post-195208
and a link to the Barra website which mentions someone being injured by bombing in Paget Road.
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Thank you for the link to birmingham air raids website. I found information on my grandmother's sister who was killed in an air raid 11th December 1940 along with information on the impact the raids had at that time.
 
It looks like the easy viewing of the Shoothill (damsdeepzoom.shoothill.com) is now not possible since their move to https. They are now using the Microsoft Azure Web App and have not yet configured it. Maybe they never will.
It was certainly useful in this thread ...
 
oldMohawk said:
It looks like the easy viewing of the Shoothill (damsdeepzoom.shoothill.com) is now not possible since their move to https. They are now using the Microsoft Azure Web App and have not yet configured it. Maybe they never will.
It was certainly useful in this thread ...
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Only just discovered that "Shoothill" site has dissappeared.
 
Although Shoothill (a software development company) had the search system the Library of Birmingham appear to have the images ....
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If Shoothill was allowed , as a private company, to copy the images, I would have thought that there would have been a contract. I would hope that that did not include the permission to privately sell the images at exorbitant prices to the profit of the company after a given period
 
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