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Birchfield Road Perry Barr

My great great grandfather was Richard Hooper Allen who was a master jeweller in Birmingham jewellery quarter. He and his wife Hilda Allen lived at 'Lansdown' or 'Lansdowne' 231 Birchfield Road Handsworth in the early 20th century. I understand the houses in Birchfield Road were large detached Victorian houses. Lansdown I know had a coach house / garage attached. Could you tell me when these houses in Birchfield Road were demolished? I understand a fly-over road was built where they originally stood. Do you know if there are any photographs in any archives of the large Victorian houses that once stood in Birchfield Road?
 
There is a good thread covering Birchfield Road, it may be of help.
 
My great great grandfather was Richard Hooper Allen who was a master jeweller in Birmingham jewellery quarter. He and his wife Hilda Allen lived at 'Lansdown' or 'Lansdowne' 231 Birchfield Road Handsworth in the early 20th century. I understand the houses in Birchfield Road were large detached Victorian houses. Lansdown I know had a coach house / garage attached. Could you tell me when these houses in Birchfield Road were demolished? I understand a fly-over road was built where they originally stood. Do you know if there are any photographs in any archives of the large Victorian houses that once stood in Birchfield Road?
The fly-over has now been demolished in a weekend in February 2021. It was 50 years old. So I think the houses on the site must have gone before then.
 
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The fly-over has now been demolished in a weekend in February 2021. It was 50 years old. So I think the houses on the site must have gone before then.
Thank you Derek. I am still astonished as to why so many structures and building are demolished at 50 years old! Is that because that forward thinking/planning at the time was not good or that the quality of the construction necessitated that? In either case that is extremely wasteful and expensive.
 
Thank you Derek. I am still astonished as to why so many structures and building are demolished at 50 years old! Is that because that forward thinking/planning at the time was not good or that the quality of the construction necessitated that? In either case that is extremely wasteful and expensive.
Richard.
The car increasingly dominated the planners' 'vision' if one can call it that 50 years ago. The pedestrian underpasses became dangerous. Often the concrete structures were either not properly finished or not maintained. John Maiden's Central Library was intended to be clad in limestone or marble, but was left as raw concrete. An old work colleague wept when the Perry Barr fly-over was demolished, but I guess this was the end of the Perry Barr she had known since a child. Houses are planned for the site. Other than the Rotunda and some Catholic churches the modernist Brutalist Birmingham phase isn't generally loved. Lots of high structures are being constructed in the city centre, will they last more than 50 years? Derek
 
My great great grandfather was Richard Hooper Allen who was a master jeweller in Birmingham jewellery quarter. He and his wife Hilda Allen lived at 'Lansdown' or 'Lansdowne' 231 Birchfield Road Handsworth in the early 20th century. I understand the houses in Birchfield Road were large detached Victorian houses. Lansdown I know had a coach house / garage attached. Could you tell me when these houses in Birchfield Road were demolished? I understand a fly-over road was built where they originally stood. Do you know if there are any photographs in any archives of the large Victorian houses that once stood in Birchfield Road?
Maps showing #231 and an aerial view of the houses, very much enlarged and hence poor resolution unfortunately.
 

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Richard.
The car increasingly dominated the planners' 'vision' if one can call it that 50 years ago. The pedestrian underpasses became dangerous. Often the concrete structures were either not properly finished or not maintained. John Maiden's Central Library was intended to be clad in limestone or marble, but was left as raw concrete. An old work colleague wept when the Perry Barr fly-over was demolished, but I guess this was the end of the Perry Barr she had known since a child. Houses are planned for the site. Other than the Rotunda and some Catholic churches the modernist Brutalist Birmingham phase isn't generally loved. Lots of high structures are being constructed in the city centre, will they last more than 50 years? Derek
Thank you again Derek! What is so shameful and it is shameful is that that there are other places to look to clear their vision and my observation is they just will not consider other developments proving successful! Traffic movement and structures in the US while great have been standing and more functional is really severe weather particularly in the Northern States.
Having said that every few years we get a strong storm in the Mississippi Delta and everything floods and gets rebuilt. I am serving on a Board with an attorney colleague who worked on the financing of the most recent rebuild in the Delta, I suggested to him “why don’t they work with Dutch, they know how to handle water” he smiled and said (paraphrasing) that would take their power away! Is seems like that is what it is really all about!
 
My great great grandfather was Richard Hooper Allen who was a master jeweller in Birmingham jewellery quarter. He and his wife Hilda Allen lived at 'Lansdown' or 'Lansdowne' 231 Birchfield Road Handsworth in the early 20th century. I understand the houses in Birchfield Road were large detached Victorian houses. Lansdown I know had a coach house / garage attached. Could you tell me when these houses in Birchfield Road were demolished? I understand a fly-over road was built where they originally stood. Do you know if there are any photographs in any archives of the large Victorian houses that once stood in Birchfield Road?
gut feeling but i think no 231 is one of the houses that lay back in photo 2 below. or may even be on photo 1..note the curved road and the tram heading towards trinity road which looking at the map is about right...just a guess but these houses are certainly not there now and they do look rather grand and also look detached..just a pity this can not be confirmed at the moment but here is a map which shows the bend in the road as seen in photo 2thumbnail (55).jpeg

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Using the brilliant nls website it appears No. 231 would have been between the 2 blocks of flats/apartments known as Penshurst Avenue.
 

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Two threads about Birchfield Road have been merged, there may now be previously unseen posts in this thread.
 
Using the brilliant nls website it appears No. 231 would have been between the 2 blocks of flats/apartments known as Penshurst Avenue.
yes thanks john..thats about where i would put 231...bet they were wonderful houses with large front gardens

lyn
 
Yes Lyn and plenty of garden too, so much garden that they were able to build the flats and put a road in to access them. Looks like the houses that the gardens backed on to are still there though (Earlsbury Gardens).
yes just edited my post adding about the large front gardens john...sad the houses were demolished but as we all know if they are in the way thats it...

lyn
 
The flats which were supposed to be the Commonwealth Games village are still standing empty!

easy to shift the blame on other things but the fact remains that it was never used as the athletes village as proposed and yet it still lies empty when people like my daughters friend who is a single mom and works hard for the NHS has been shunted from hostel to hostel for 5 years..i just dont understand it at all

lyn
 
The link explains why they are not occupied. the council AND WHOEVER ELSE STANDS TO PROFIT i strying to get too much for them, so people cannot get a mortgage . They should be rented out to those who need them. AND No further housing should be permitted to be built unless it is either for rent at a reasonable rent or to be sold at an affordable price.
 
I remember Birchfield Rd in the 60's. I used to work at Maison Celeste. A hairdressing salon. We used to play jokes on the new apprentices, sending them next door (a hardware shop, for a glass hammer or ' along weight' (wait!)) Further to the left was a cafe where we used to go for a lunch or mince pie (Byrons, I think it was called) To the right of the hairdressers was the cinema. One day I met a blind date there. I came across him on Radio Caroline. He was training to be a Doctor. John Cunningham....wonder if he ever made it! He took me to the YMCA and afterwards for a coffee.
On the opposite side of the road there was a butchers, a handbag shop ++ you had to use the underpass to get there.
 
The link explains why they are not occupied. the council AND WHOEVER ELSE STANDS TO PROFIT i strying to get too much for them, so people cannot get a mortgage . They should be rented out to those who need them. AND No further housing should be permitted to be built unless it is either for rent at a reasonable rent or to be sold at an affordable price.
Absolutely! That is the only way to make them listen.
 
I remember Birchfield Rd in the 60's. I used to work at Maison Celeste. A hairdressing salon. We used to play jokes on the new apprentices, sending them next door (a hardware shop, for a glass hammer or ' along weight' (wait!)) Further to the left was a cafe where we used to go for a lunch or mince pie (Byrons, I think it was called) To the right of the hairdressers was the cinema. One day I met a blind date there. I came across him on Radio Caroline. He was training to be a Doctor. John Cunningham....wonder if he ever made it! He took me to the YMCA and afterwards for a coffee.
On the opposite side of the road there was a butchers, a handbag shop ++ you had to use the underpass to get there.
I worked at that butcher after school sometimes, WT Baker I worked at the one on Soho Rd mostly #264.
 
I worked at that butcher after school sometimes, WT Baker I worked at the one on Soho Rd mostly #264.
Depends what year you worked at the butchers. In 1963 one of the 'girls' from the salon went out with one of the butchers. Her name in the salon was 'miss Louise' but her real name was Carol.....not sure if this information fills a gap.
 
Depends what year you worked at the butchers. In 1963 one of the 'girls' from the salon went out with one of the butchers. Her name in the salon was 'miss Louise' but her real name was Carol.....not sure if this information fills a gap.
‘59, ‘59 & ‘60. I was mostly at the Soho Rd store and would go to the Perry Barr store when they needed help. I was very aware of the salon but not the relationship! Brings back some great memories. On a separate matter I purchased my first good camera from a photography store around the corner on Wellington Rd. And yes I still have it an Agfa Silette 35mm. It has been around the world a few times, still takes great photographs!
 
Quite a shocker on the local BBC news last night concerning the long empty flats in Perry Barr that were intended to be used as the athletes village for the Commonwealth Games. They are to be sold at a loss to a "private bidder" and Birmingham Council will be £320m out of pocket, as a result!

Link: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg3x72q789o
yes john and bcc are going to build another 1440 in perry barr...i believe on the ajacent land to the bus depot in wellhead lane


 
just read this..

Big story: £320m bill for taxpayers — a Commonwealth Games legacy
Top line: As the Olympic Games wraps up in Paris, the true cost of Birmingham’s Commonwealth Games is only just becoming known. The city council has agreed to sell most of Perry Barr Athletes Village to a private investor — for less money than the authority has spent on the project. As a result, the sale will cost the taxpayer at least £320m.

Context: Perry Barr Athletes Village was meant to accommodate competitors during the Commonwealth Games. Unfortunately, construction was delayed due to the pandemic and the athletes were put up in student digs instead. Since building works completed in April 2023, almost a year after the games, the homes have sat empty.

The big plan: The development was supposed to be a positive legacy of the games and a hallmark project in the great Perry Barr regeneration, alongside the creation of Alexander Stadium and £30.9m of transport improvements. The idea was to provide lots of new homes for local people.

Of the 968 properties, 312 were set to be available at affordable prices, with an additional 99 available at a government-funded 30% discount for first-time buyers.

A nasty surprise: The project faced a blow last year when it emerged that surveyors were valuing the flats at 30% less than the council, throwing those with mortgage agreements into jeopardy. Then, earlier this year, it was revealed that the council was instead negotiating with private investors looking to bulk-buy the homes. Last Thursday, the council agreed to sell 755 of the properties to a private bidder. The remaining 213 will be kept as council homes.
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How much exactly? The same report, to the council’s property committee, estimates that the money made from the sale won’t be enough to pay back borrowing of £142-152m. The cost of repaying this debt over a 40-year period is expected to be £8-9m per year, including interest. That’s a cost of at least £320m to the taxpayer with cuts made elsewhere to compensate — not quite the glorious Commonwealth legacy the council intended. Speaking to the BBC, Shadow Cabinet Member for Finance, Councillor Meirion Jenkins wasn’t mincing words:

“It’s certainly a legacy. It’s a disastrous financial legacy. All we have now is a disastrous state-sponsored construction project that is going to cost the population of Birmingham very dearly, bearing in mind we’re talking about £2,000 per household in Birmingham as being the cost of this construction.”

However, Labour Councillor Sharon Thompson, deputy leader for the council and cabinet member for Economy and Skills has continued to defend the project. In a statement on the council’s website, she said:

“As someone who visits Perry Barr regularly, I know the area has been transformed in recent years and is now a destination of choice for visitors or for those wishing to relocate.

“The investment in Perry Barr has brought massive benefits locally with upgraded public transport links, the stunning redevelopment of the Alexander Stadium and this deal will now deliver better housing choices for local people."

Is the project an important jigsaw piece in the redevelopment of Perry Barr? Or is it just the latest in a long line of financial howlers for the council?
 
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