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BAYLISS Samuel marriage record

Oldlinoop

Oldlinoop

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Hi - my first post. I hope this is the right section.

I am trying to trace the marriage of Samuel Bayliss and Alice Cottom. Samuel was born in July 1856 and Alice in October 1863. The 1881 Census has them as married and living at 8 Alexander Street Birmingham Warwickshire with Alice's parents Henry and Alice COTTON. I haven't been able to find a record of their marriage.
 
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Hi there, welcome to the Forum.
I've had a look and I can't see it either! Have you found them on any later census?
However, I think I've found Henry's marriage,if it's of any use?

Marriages Mar 1852
Henry Cottom Birmingham 6d 161
Alice Keatly Birmingham 6d 161
 
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Thanks for the welcome.
I found Henry's marriage and also his parents marriage. I believe they were Robert Cottom and Susannah Jarvis but nothing for Samuel.
Haven't been able to find them on any later census. I think they only had one child - Charles Henry Bayliss b 1884 and died 1940 who was my grandfather.
 
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ive been trying to find them with no luck! 1901

i did find this one which at first i thought might be right but im not sure. living at a "common lodging house" park st. bham

charles h. bayliss 17 brasscaster lodger b.bham

also living there an alice bayliss . she is listed as married (but no husband there) but she is 32 and born ireland.
 
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theres also this one in 1911 . registered lodging house, 26 coleshill street, bham

charles henry bayliss . single. 26. inmate. silver polisher. cruets and trays. born bham
 
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Alice was born in Birmingham.
In the 1881 Census there is also a Charles Bayliss as an nine year old inmate at a Coventry Union Workhouse.
Don't know if he is their son. Could it be that Samuel and Alice died early on?
 
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I don't know if the following are any help?

1861 Address: 12, Court 8, Lench Street, Birmingham
Sarah Bayliss,Widow aged 43 born 1818 Birmingham,Church Cleaner
Edward Bayliss,Son aged 20 born 1841 Birmingham
Charlotte Bayliss,Daughter aged 15 born 1846 Birmingham
Charles Bayliss,Son aged 13 born 1848 Birmingham
William Bayliss,Son aged 8 born 1853 Birmingham
Samuel Bayliss,Son aged 5 born 1856 Birmingham
1871 Address: 29 Lench Street Birmingham
William Hanson, Head aged 45 born 1826 Warwickshire
Sarah Hanson, Wife aged 48 born 1823 Staffordshire
William BAYLISS, Son-In-Law aged 18 born 1853 Staffordshire
Samuel BAYLISS, Son-In-Law aged 14 born 1857 Staffordshire brass founder
1901 there's a Charles Henry Bayliss lodging at Lodging House, 95, 96, Park Street, Birmingham
 
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theres this one in 1911 again only some of the details match up. living 27 pool rd. smethwick

samuel bayliss 61 glass blower b.bham
alice bayliss 51 b. wordsley, staffs
thomas 28 malter b. langley staffs
alice 21 press worker b. stourbridge
alfred 14 core maker b. stourbridge
edith 11 b. stourbridge
anne 7 b. smethwick

states they had been married 34 yrs and had had 8 children, all still living
 
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ladylinda said:
I don't know if the following are any help?

1861 Address: 12, Court 8, Lench Street, Birmingham
Sarah Bayliss,Widow aged 43 born 1818 Birmingham,Church Cleaner
Edward Bayliss,Son aged 20 born 1841 Birmingham
Charlotte Bayliss,Daughter aged 15 born 1846 Birmingham
Charles Bayliss,Son aged 13 born 1848 Birmingham
William Bayliss,Son aged 8 born 1853 Birmingham
Samuel Bayliss,Son aged 5 born 1856 Birmingham
1871 Address: 29 Lench Street Birmingham
William Hanson, Head aged 45 born 1826 Warwickshire
Sarah Hanson, Wife aged 48 born 1823 Staffordshire
William BAYLISS, Son-In-Law aged 18 born 1853 Staffordshire
Samuel BAYLISS, Son-In-Law aged 14 born 1857 Staffordshire brass founder
1901 there's a Charles Henry Bayliss lodging at Lodging House, 95, 96, Park Street, Birmingham
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I have all that information apart from the 1901 mention of Charles Henry at a lodging house.
 
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Shera said:
theres this one in 1911 again only some of the details match up. living 27 pool rd. smethwick

samuel bayliss 61 glass blower b.bham
alice bayliss 51 b. wordsley, staffs
thomas 28 malter b. langley staffs
alice 21 press worker b. stourbridge
alfred 14 core maker b. stourbridge
edith 11 b. stourbridge
anne 7 b. smethwick

states they had been married 34 yrs and had had 8 children, all still living
Click to expand...

Don't know about this one - they were all from Birmingham.
 
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there does seem to be some confusion though over birmingham or staffs!! on the 1861 and 1871 censuses that linda posted, 1861 says b.bham and 1871 says b. staffs!!
 
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I do have a copy of a death certificate for a Charles Henry Bayliss in which the informant is an F. McDonald and he is a brother in law.
I haven't been able to find any other children of Samuel and Alice so don't know where F. McDonald fits in unless I have the wrong death certificate.
 
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Perhaps this is where the F McDonald has come from?
Marriages Sep 1940
Charles H Bayliss married Edith M McDonald Birmingham 6d 1111

Edith M Bayliss was living with an Edith McDonald at 112 Nansen Road Washwood Heath in 1945 and then in 1950,1955 there is an Edith McDonald,Frederick McDonald (Edith M Bayliss's brother,I presume),Elizabeth T McDonald and an Edith M Martin

Marriages Sep 1948
Edith M Bayliss married Alexander Martin Wolverhampton 9b 2839
Edith M McDonald married Alexander Martin Wolverhampton 9b 2839 (alternative name)
 
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That is certainly very interesting Linda.
The death certificate I have has Charles Henry's death as April 10th 1940!
 
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Hmmmmm, that was quite a promising Bayliss/McDonald link,I thought,when I first saw it!!!
Back to the drawing board?
 
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Yes it looked like the puzzle may have been solved.

Any chance the Sep 1940 marriage date is wrong?
 
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It just says date of registration, July August September 1940.
Was there any address on the death certificate?
 
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It turns out that my sister had ordered a copy of that wedding certificate some time ago only to find it to be the wrong one. It gives this Charles Henry's age as 24 whereas the Charles Henry on the death certificate was aged 55.
The address on the death certificate looks like 1(?)2 Hospital Street, Birmingham and F. McDonald is at the same address. The place of death looks like like Westtern(?) Road.
 
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Western Road would be the Infirmary better known as Dudley Road Hospital.
There is a Thomas McDonald living at 142 Hospital Street in 1939!
 
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Then it must be a T on the death certificate - my poor deciphering!
Don't know where he fits in. I have Charles Henry as an only child and don't when his mother died either.
 
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