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My concern is that the other records for the family use Smart. All the sons are glass cutters! Searching is also difficult there are so many Allens!! Not all records are available online @ familysearch. Also some border staffs such as handsworth not too far from the city. I don't have access to...

I have emailed my newly found cousin (found last night to be precise)! for the original marriage. This is what he has James married Mary Ann BUTCHERD on 22 November 1821 in Aston, Warwickshire. The address was: St Peter & Paul. Groom of Birmingham St Martin, bride of the parish, by banns...

ok here goes James Allen to Mary DAWSON at Aston Juxta 1794 not too far away from the other churches but mnaybe a little too early for your Charles. mary ann evans also at Aston juxta but 1823 :explode: mary twigg 1804 at st phillips :rolleyes: I think Mary Hands at St Martins :) We...

i was just about to say that to you LOL

i am going through the igi at the moment too. Mary Elizabeth was quoted 30th April. I am trying to piece together family groups. There is a james/mary lot baptised at St Phillips. The St. Martin's group. Then the Smart Allen at Cannon st. All around the same time. Will keep looking...

no parents staying for a sleepover then! This is going to be tricky. James b1796 would have been 20 yrs old if he married mary Hands in 1816. Ok sorry for dealy. I have just checked on Mary Elizabeth Allen 1823 her father was definitely James Smart Allen. I reckon we've cracked it!!!

In 1841 James was a glass cutter living in Aston St. with wife mary & 3 children emma & james aged 12 & 14 also jane age 6mths!!! :rolleyes: Any earlier children born to a previous marriage would have long flown the nest! Do you have your Charles in 1841?

sorry John & James are brother getting myself confused here!!! :rolleyes: James b1796 was also the son of John Allen & Sarah Smart.

Hiya John Smart Allen was bapt 1794 his parents were John Allen & Sarah Smart. Yes i can see your need to discover more about Charles. The Smart Allens were glass cutters. Do you know what your Charles did for a living? Do you have him on the census, perhaps it will offer some clues i...

Leslam, im a little confused. The Charles born 1815 bapt 1816 familysearch has the parents as James Allen & Mary. There is no mention of Smart. Emma Jane Allen 1827 shows parents as James Smart Allen & Mary. I think there are 2 different families but am open to suggestions. As we all know...

Hello I have the marriage of James Smart Allen as him marrying Mary Ann Butcherd 22 Nov 1821 at Aston. Could the James Allen/Mary Hands be a different couple???? Allen is a very common name. I'm thankful my lot use Smart Allen :) James & Mary Smart Allen had 4 children Emma, James, Jane & Ellen.

A pity the earlier records don't provide more clues. sorry shera my error on the month Thank you so much you're a star!!!!

Shera Yes i found that on the igi. I have tried for ages to figure the Phillips' there are loads! I have James Bapt 1 Nov 1765, his father was William who was possibly baptised 20 Nov 1738. James marriage to mary Hodges igi has 10 July 1787 but patron input has 4 july 1787 (possibly an...

Shera Thank you so much you are fab:) William was a seedsman! Thanks too for the corrections. I have a few more requests. Would it be possible for you to check them for me please. Thanks again

Hello I have a baptism record George PHILLIPS 7 Oct 1817, he may have been bapt at St Martins, I'd really appreciate a lookup. Also his brother William John Phillips baptised 13 Jan 1822 & Christened 23 Jan 1822. I'm unsure why he was bapt/chr twice but the details were found by a distant...

Hello there I am researching my PHILLIPS family of Stirchley Kings Norton. I have a few unusual names amongst them. Nephi of Breedon dining rooms that i think became the Breedon Bar, now long gone is my gt grandfather. Nephi's siblings were Manasseh, Enoch, Edwin & Ephraim the screw...

Oh no:angry: I don't believe it, perhaps i am expecting too much. But i am told our family history was traced way back!!! Not sure how they did it! I'm stuck now! I think i'll try free cen & try & find John & Mary or John & Ann in 1841. Would welcome any suggestions. Shera thank you so...

After much pondering i have decided to ask for a look up on the possible marriages for John Harrison. I do hope it has blacksmith :) as his occupation as i feel sure that would be the right person. It will put me out of my misery ;) I am looking for John Harrison married to Mary Andrews 7 Apr...

Oh no!!!:( I was hoping one of them would give dad John's occupation as blacksmith. Now i'm stuck :confused: It was only because Edward remarried that i found his fathers name. Before that i was stuck on Edward. There are a few possible marriages for John/Ann/Mary but i'm not sure that...

Thanks for the thread Alf. Enjoyed the pics, i think i do recall him in the gardens at the back of the shops. However i think the one on the bristol is a different one. Looking at the pics of the people next to him he is HUGE no way would he have stood on the Bristol Road & i don't recall him...