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cookie273uk
master brummie
I was a regular 'visitor' with my Dad to the Grosvenor Arms in the early 50's (managed by Jimmy Leach, ex-Villa player) it was certainly NOT a corner pub (surprising how many are !) entrance from Grosvenor Rd or from the rear, Lovers Walk, that and the 'Castle' and the 2 (3?) Queens Rd pubs all long since gone, my only 'local' left there is the Aston Tavern recently restored, Aston as many happy memories for me but I certainly would not go back there now. Eric
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But is it definitely a pub? Could it be an off-licence/outdoor? Viv.
viv i think the building is to large to be an off licence or outdoor...can see the the landlords name above the 3rd door from the left..cant make it out though...what a mystery..
Phil
Gone, but not forgotten.
Mike
Sorry I do not have a photo of the Grosvenor, in fact I only have two photos of Grosvenor Rd and they show very little of the road itself. I'm afraid I can't help with this one as it nearly did my head in a couple of years back and I would like to see it named just as much as you would. Just wait one day someone will come on line and say that was my old local it was the ........ and we will all say "why couldn't we see that?"
Sorry I do not have a photo of the Grosvenor, in fact I only have two photos of Grosvenor Rd and they show very little of the road itself. I'm afraid I can't help with this one as it nearly did my head in a couple of years back and I would like to see it named just as much as you would. Just wait one day someone will come on line and say that was my old local it was the ........ and we will all say "why couldn't we see that?"
I've also tried to make that out Lyn and thought that its A J & Co or R J & Co. But as most people think all 4 houses are a pub, I thought it couldn't be a business of some sort. (At that point I thought one of the houses - the one on the left - could be an off-licence). Still have a sneaking suspicion there's something else going on there. The three cars made me think of a mechanic's yard. But if there's M & B somewhere on the fascia along that part, seems not. And I still think we're looking in the wrong place. We may never know. Viv.
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oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
Things I notice about the pic ....
The road with the building is angled to the road in the foreground which has a brick footpath, and the road with the houses appears to be a tee junction with the road with the building .... could this be seen on an old map ?
The second window from the right is thinner than the others ... not much use !
The houses in the pic appear to have the ground windows boarded up and some upper windows have gone so possibly being demolished.
Looks like a pneumatic drill air compressor on the left of the pic.
Maybe we have lost on this pic ....
The road with the building is angled to the road in the foreground which has a brick footpath, and the road with the houses appears to be a tee junction with the road with the building .... could this be seen on an old map ?
The second window from the right is thinner than the others ... not much use !
The houses in the pic appear to have the ground windows boarded up and some upper windows have gone so possibly being demolished.
Looks like a pneumatic drill air compressor on the left of the pic.
Maybe we have lost on this pic ....
Viewfinder
master brummie
I like your orientation, Vivienne14, yet Dartmouth Middleway is too close to Aston University: the block we see on the horizon is a good mile-and-a-half from the photographer's vantage point. And with Lister Street, Happyguy is virtually on the campus itself.
The streets should lead us there: mikejee is standing on a foreground road looking at the pub, which itself is on a street running close and parallel. To the right is a street leading off, slightly obliquely. With this shape in mind I have compared the 1970s A to Z with this list of Aston pubs https://www.astonbrook-through-astonm...o.uk/Pubs.html
Here are some thoughts:
Albert Road - Victoria Inn. A distinct possibility, with Mike standing on Frederick Road.
Alma Street - Alma Tavern, Salutation. Wrong angle.
Aston Hall Road - Aston Tavern. Shot from Priory Road, but unlikely.
Aston Road - White Hart, New Inn, New Peacock, Duke of York, General Wolfe. No.
Aston Road North - Star Inn, Travellers Rest, Albion Inn, Avenue. No. Setting all wrong; we are looking at a side street.
Blews Street - Globe Inn. Too close to Aston University.
Bracebridge Street - Vine Inn. With Aston Brook Street in the foreground this is possible, but probably too close to the university.
Bright Street - Castle Inn. Ruled out by earlier posts.
Brookvale Road - Yew Tree Inn. Wrong angle.
Catherine Street - Three Horse Shoes. Very possible; shot from Portland Street.
Chester Street - Grand Junction. Wrong angle and a bit close.
Church Road - Queens Hotel, Crown Inn. Not right.
Clarendon Street - Royal Oak. Clarendon Street not in my A to Z.
Clifton Road - Golden Lion. Possibly.
Grosvenor Road - Grosvenor Arms. Possibly; shot from Lovers Walk - but the foreground street looks too wide for a walk.
High Street - Royal Exchange, Scotch House, Stork, Waggon & Horses, Bartons Arms, Dog & Duck, Malt Shovel. No.
Lichfield Road - Reservoir Tavern, Swan Pool Tavern, Victoria, Vine, Britannia, Church Tavern, King Edward VII, Golden Cross Hotel, Gunmakers Arms. No.
Miller Street - Millers Arms. Too close.
Moor Lane. Wittin [sic] Hotel. No.
New John Street - White Swan. Too close to the university.
Newtown Row - White Horse, White Lion, Vine Inn, British Lion, Clement Arms. As above.
Park Lane - Royal Albert, Shareholders Arms, Black Horse, Eagle Inn. All of these are worth a shufty: angle and distance look promising.
Phillips Street - Talford Arms. Possibly shot from Webster Street?
Portland Street - Manor Tavern. No.
Potters Hill - Tower Arms, Bricklayers Arms. Vantage point on Albert Road?
Pritchett Street - Bulls Head. No.
Queens Road - Queens Tavern. Ruled out by earlier research.
Rocky Lane - Hen & Chickens. No evidence of the foreground street on which Mike is standing.
Sutherland Street - Pump Tavern. Highly unlikely; north of Aston station.
Trinity Road - Upper Grounds Hotel, Holte Hotel. No.
Upper Sutton Street - White Swan, Crown Inn. Angle wrong.
Upper Webster Street - Clarendon Arms. Shot from Burlington Street?
Victoria Road - White Swan, Princess Royal, Queens Arms, Victoria Park Inn. All four of these are possible.
Wainwright Street - New Inns. Possibly.
Whitehead Road - Travellers Rest. Possibly.
Witton Lane - Aston Hotel. No.
Witton Road - Witton Arms, Guild Hotel. Angle awry.
Yates Street - Mazeppa. Location and angle, shot from Park Lane, fit well - but the pub itself does not.
I think we should investigate these few; does anyone have large-scale maps?:
Victoria Inn, Albert Road
Three Horse Shoes, Catherine Street
Royal Albert, Shareholders Arms, Black Horse, Eagle Inn - all on Park Lane.
Your enlargement of the fascia, Mike - how about (in caps) The Adventurer?
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The streets should lead us there: mikejee is standing on a foreground road looking at the pub, which itself is on a street running close and parallel. To the right is a street leading off, slightly obliquely. With this shape in mind I have compared the 1970s A to Z with this list of Aston pubs https://www.astonbrook-through-astonm...o.uk/Pubs.html
Here are some thoughts:
Albert Road - Victoria Inn. A distinct possibility, with Mike standing on Frederick Road.
Alma Street - Alma Tavern, Salutation. Wrong angle.
Aston Hall Road - Aston Tavern. Shot from Priory Road, but unlikely.
Aston Road - White Hart, New Inn, New Peacock, Duke of York, General Wolfe. No.
Aston Road North - Star Inn, Travellers Rest, Albion Inn, Avenue. No. Setting all wrong; we are looking at a side street.
Blews Street - Globe Inn. Too close to Aston University.
Bracebridge Street - Vine Inn. With Aston Brook Street in the foreground this is possible, but probably too close to the university.
Bright Street - Castle Inn. Ruled out by earlier posts.
Brookvale Road - Yew Tree Inn. Wrong angle.
Catherine Street - Three Horse Shoes. Very possible; shot from Portland Street.
Chester Street - Grand Junction. Wrong angle and a bit close.
Church Road - Queens Hotel, Crown Inn. Not right.
Clarendon Street - Royal Oak. Clarendon Street not in my A to Z.
Clifton Road - Golden Lion. Possibly.
Grosvenor Road - Grosvenor Arms. Possibly; shot from Lovers Walk - but the foreground street looks too wide for a walk.
High Street - Royal Exchange, Scotch House, Stork, Waggon & Horses, Bartons Arms, Dog & Duck, Malt Shovel. No.
Lichfield Road - Reservoir Tavern, Swan Pool Tavern, Victoria, Vine, Britannia, Church Tavern, King Edward VII, Golden Cross Hotel, Gunmakers Arms. No.
Miller Street - Millers Arms. Too close.
Moor Lane. Wittin [sic] Hotel. No.
New John Street - White Swan. Too close to the university.
Newtown Row - White Horse, White Lion, Vine Inn, British Lion, Clement Arms. As above.
Park Lane - Royal Albert, Shareholders Arms, Black Horse, Eagle Inn. All of these are worth a shufty: angle and distance look promising.
Phillips Street - Talford Arms. Possibly shot from Webster Street?
Portland Street - Manor Tavern. No.
Potters Hill - Tower Arms, Bricklayers Arms. Vantage point on Albert Road?
Pritchett Street - Bulls Head. No.
Queens Road - Queens Tavern. Ruled out by earlier research.
Rocky Lane - Hen & Chickens. No evidence of the foreground street on which Mike is standing.
Sutherland Street - Pump Tavern. Highly unlikely; north of Aston station.
Trinity Road - Upper Grounds Hotel, Holte Hotel. No.
Upper Sutton Street - White Swan, Crown Inn. Angle wrong.
Upper Webster Street - Clarendon Arms. Shot from Burlington Street?
Victoria Road - White Swan, Princess Royal, Queens Arms, Victoria Park Inn. All four of these are possible.
Wainwright Street - New Inns. Possibly.
Whitehead Road - Travellers Rest. Possibly.
Witton Lane - Aston Hotel. No.
Witton Road - Witton Arms, Guild Hotel. Angle awry.
Yates Street - Mazeppa. Location and angle, shot from Park Lane, fit well - but the pub itself does not.
I think we should investigate these few; does anyone have large-scale maps?:
Victoria Inn, Albert Road
Three Horse Shoes, Catherine Street
Royal Albert, Shareholders Arms, Black Horse, Eagle Inn - all on Park Lane.
Your enlargement of the fascia, Mike - how about (in caps) The Adventurer?
Viewfinder
master brummie
Things I notice about the pic ....
The road with the building is angled to the road in the foreground which has a brick footpath, and the road with the houses appears to be a tee junction with the road with the building .... could this be seen on an old map ?
The second window from the right is thinner than the others ... not much use !
The houses in the pic appear to have the ground windows boarded up and some upper windows have gone so possibly being demolished.
Looks like a pneumatic drill air compressor on the left of the pic.
Maybe we have lost on this pic ....
Yes, oldMowhawk, the compressor made me curious, too. Above it there is a white-boarded sign with lettering: might be the contractor's notice - or possibly attached to the fence behind. Could anyone enlarge this?
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
Hi Viewfinder - I think the resolution of the pic is not high enough to resolve any of the words in the pic and I've had a real go with the Gimp photo editor. It has been interesting looking at aerial views of the area where there seems to be quite a lot of unused land, empty car parks etc. For example I noticed on the GE historical imagery views that the building or warehouse next to the Adventurer's pub in Queens Road had a completely full car park in 2007 but a completely empty car park by 2009 and empty since then.
oldmohawk
oldmohawk
cookie273uk
master brummie
There was an awful lot of pubs round there ! must have been a right load of boozers to keep them all in business ?
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Happyguy
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I find this building (which is on the right of the photograph ) to be very interesting inasmuch as it has a rounded roof, like an aircraft hanger !. I know its not one of course but could a building like this be a clue to its location. ?
thanks happyguy always good to throw ideas out...dont know why but as soon as i saw the photo it didnt strike me as being in aston but more gosta green/nechells way but what do i know lol and im not sure that mike went about with his camera around there...as eric pointed out there were many pubs around at that time..
lyn
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I'd assumed the compressor was to power the hammer to break up the old concrete/road. Also assumed it would have been in preparation for a new road development. Maybe we could find out what new roads were developed around the time of the photo wirthin the area. Viv.
Absolutely Happyguy. I suggested that the rounded roofed building was an unusual feature in one of my earlier posts. It looks like it is occupied and has net curtains! Very strange. Viv.
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posting my next one now folks..no location on the back but im pretty sure i know this one..mikes previous photo will still be there so with a bit of luck someone will actually recognise it in time...bet this one wont take long if i know it but it still needs confirming..love the bottles of milk on the step.
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Viewfinder
master brummie
Lovely! Note the two milk bottles on the step.
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
Is it this one Lyn https://goo.gl/maps/CTsVa
In Bath St
In Bath St
i mentioned the milk bottles viewfinder something we dont see very often love to see them...but where is it
lyn
thanks phil thats confirmed what i thought..the gunmakers corner of bath st and little shadwell st just round the corner from the bull at price st...some age to this pub and its still open must go in there again and take a look not been in for some years now
mike its over to you...
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
Hi Happyguy - The curved roofs as in the pic are usually wood construction and covered with heavy duty felt. The only ones I have ever seen like that were the halls at Perry Beeches school before they were demolished/upgraded about 1999. Another one I remember was a large hardware type shop called Ibbotsons on the college road near the fire station and library and was there until the 1950s. Maybe the curved roof building in Mike's pic was a school.
Viewfinder
master brummie
They were careful with the milk - but negligent about the apostrophes.
Viewfinder
It could be I suppose, but don't know of am old pub with that name. To be honest I don't really see anything much in those distorted letters. The Mitc was much clearer.
Below are maps of the pubs you suggested , all the maps from the 1950s. the first shows the victoria, the second the Three horseshoes, the third The Royal Albert & the Eagle and the final one the shareholders & the Black Horse.
As you can see the Victoria, the Eagle, the Shareholders and the Royal Albert are all on corners. The three horseshoes and the Black horse are not, though maps and directories would seem to imply that they were demolished together with the surrounding houses.There is a picture of the Black horse, park lane at https://www.astonbrook-through-astonmanor.co.uk/parklane.html and it looks nothing like our "pub"
Worth look though. Possibly other members have knowledge of the three horseshoes.
It could be I suppose, but don't know of am old pub with that name. To be honest I don't really see anything much in those distorted letters. The Mitc was much clearer.
Below are maps of the pubs you suggested , all the maps from the 1950s. the first shows the victoria, the second the Three horseshoes, the third The Royal Albert & the Eagle and the final one the shareholders & the Black Horse.
As you can see the Victoria, the Eagle, the Shareholders and the Royal Albert are all on corners. The three horseshoes and the Black horse are not, though maps and directories would seem to imply that they were demolished together with the surrounding houses.There is a picture of the Black horse, park lane at https://www.astonbrook-through-astonmanor.co.uk/parklane.html and it looks nothing like our "pub"
Worth look though. Possibly other members have knowledge of the three horseshoes.
