Another Dorrington road infant and junior school followed by Beeches road scholar ? Or were you at the comp.
Sorry Tony just seen your previous post from 2012 seems you already mentioned Dorrington road.
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Sorry Tony just seen your previous post from 2012 seems you already mentioned Dorrington road.
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Sorry I've just noticed you had already posted in that thread in 2012
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Perry Hall seems to have been a very complex building, something I hadn't appreciated until recently comparing these two pictures.
The top picture is c1790
The lower picture is 1840 - 1882
And this is the history of owners and known modifications:
John Molyneux owner in 1473
Substantially modified in 1546 by Sir William Stamford
Originally the hall apparently bore the date of 1576
Acquired by Sir Henry Gough 1669
Substantial modification in 1788
Modified in 1840s, including addition of the bridge
Estate sold by Gough's in 1923 and demolished around 1928
Looking at the two pictures above, between them they cover the period 1790 - 1880s. I can see there had been quite a lot of modification within that 100 years. But I now wonder what the Hall looked like pre-1788. Be good to see any drawings if they exist before the late 1700s. Viv.
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The top picture is c1790
The lower picture is 1840 - 1882
And this is the history of owners and known modifications:
John Molyneux owner in 1473
Substantially modified in 1546 by Sir William Stamford
Originally the hall apparently bore the date of 1576
Acquired by Sir Henry Gough 1669
Substantial modification in 1788
Modified in 1840s, including addition of the bridge
Estate sold by Gough's in 1923 and demolished around 1928
Looking at the two pictures above, between them they cover the period 1790 - 1880s. I can see there had been quite a lot of modification within that 100 years. But I now wonder what the Hall looked like pre-1788. Be good to see any drawings if they exist before the late 1700s. Viv.
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Totally forgotten I'd posted in an earlier post a Thomas Bardwell painting of the hall c1720. Here are the three views for comparison. It really was a big place in the 1700s (or maybe it's just the painting perspective). I suppose the later changes were made to 'modernise' it. Viv.
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I think that anyone who is proud of our city, or to be correct, proud of how our city used to be should be dismayed.
Strangely enough I saw this postcard on eBay the other day. Probably around the same period. I wondered if this was the lady of the hall. And feeding the ducks on the moat ! Viv.
The stable block at Perry Hall. Image is pre-1929, but no precise date. Viv.
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
I reproduce Stitcher's great picture in Post 81.
At the bottom it says that after Sir Somerset's death in 1912, the mansion was sold to Bm Corporation, and in 1928 it was demolished as they could not afford both Perry and Aston Halls.
Well there must be a story here!
In 1928 the Birmingham Common Good Trust, Chaired by George Cadbury, asked at a meeting to to put a deposit of £3,200, which was agreed, to purchase Perry Hall Estate inc the Mansion!
At the bottom it says that after Sir Somerset's death in 1912, the mansion was sold to Bm Corporation, and in 1928 it was demolished as they could not afford both Perry and Aston Halls.
Well there must be a story here!
In 1928 the Birmingham Common Good Trust, Chaired by George Cadbury, asked at a meeting to to put a deposit of £3,200, which was agreed, to purchase Perry Hall Estate inc the Mansion!
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
Wikipedia agree with the caption...."It was formerly the site of Perry Hall, demolished 1927, home of the Gough family, though only the hall's moat remains after the Birmingham Corporation had to choose between saving Perry Hall and the nearby Aston Hall for financial purposes."
I think the postcards labelled "The Avenue" would have taken you down to Perry Village.
My grandparents bought items from the Hall when the interior pieces were auctioned. They then put these through auctions at Christies. No idea what the items were though. Viv.
My grandparents bought items from the Hall when the interior pieces were auctioned. They then put these through auctions at Christies. No idea what the items were though. Viv.
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Master Barmmie
Sir Somerset Gough-Calthorpe died in 1912, but did Perry Hall lie empty, and when was it sold to Birmingham Corporation, before its demolition in 1928?
In 1914 Birmingham Corporation purchased some land surrounding Perry Reservior for public walks and pleasure grounds. But in 1920 there is the of a portion of the Perry Hall Estate....“Sale of Mansion and 500 acres of freehold land.... The Purchasers part of local [unamed] syndicate. The Hall is considered as one of the finest examples of Elizabethan architecture, and is in a perfect state of preservation.”
Later in 1921 there is another sale of a large portion of Lord Calthorpe’s Perry Barr Estate, including 783 acres and Hampstead Colliery. One report says “the purchaser is a wealthy landowner in the South of England. Lord Calthorpe has purchased an estate near Ascot, and will shortly take up his residence there. His only son is the well-known captain of Warks Cricket team.”
Now in February of 1928 the Birmingham Common Good Trust, chaired by George Cadbury, placed a deposit on behalf of Birmingham Council to purchase Perry Hall Estate. The Council were interested in the purchase of 100 acres of the Perry Hall Estate for playing fields and open spaces...the moat and the Hall seem to be part of the deal...”the accompanying map shows the site of the hall and the moat surrounding the former residence of the Calthorpe family are included in the proposed deal.
So it looks as if parts of the Estate were sold to an unnamed syndicate and a wealthy landowner about seven years before the Council took interest, and as soon as they acquired the Hall, in March 1928 it is put on sale for demolition.
I can’t as yet find any conflict between Aston Hall an Perry Hall, it looks like the decision to demolish may have been taken before purchase.
In 1914 Birmingham Corporation purchased some land surrounding Perry Reservior for public walks and pleasure grounds. But in 1920 there is the of a portion of the Perry Hall Estate....“Sale of Mansion and 500 acres of freehold land.... The Purchasers part of local [unamed] syndicate. The Hall is considered as one of the finest examples of Elizabethan architecture, and is in a perfect state of preservation.”
Later in 1921 there is another sale of a large portion of Lord Calthorpe’s Perry Barr Estate, including 783 acres and Hampstead Colliery. One report says “the purchaser is a wealthy landowner in the South of England. Lord Calthorpe has purchased an estate near Ascot, and will shortly take up his residence there. His only son is the well-known captain of Warks Cricket team.”
Now in February of 1928 the Birmingham Common Good Trust, chaired by George Cadbury, placed a deposit on behalf of Birmingham Council to purchase Perry Hall Estate. The Council were interested in the purchase of 100 acres of the Perry Hall Estate for playing fields and open spaces...the moat and the Hall seem to be part of the deal...”the accompanying map shows the site of the hall and the moat surrounding the former residence of the Calthorpe family are included in the proposed deal.
So it looks as if parts of the Estate were sold to an unnamed syndicate and a wealthy landowner about seven years before the Council took interest, and as soon as they acquired the Hall, in March 1928 it is put on sale for demolition.
I can’t as yet find any conflict between Aston Hall an Perry Hall, it looks like the decision to demolish may have been taken before purchase.
I vaguely remember seeing somewhere that the decision to demolish was a matter of either Perry Hall or Aston Hall had to go. The reason being cost of upkeep of both. So Perry Hall lost out. Viv.
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A great shame it was demolished, Two decades later it might well have become a National Trust property.
i maybe wrong but i dont think there was much difference in age in perry hall and aston hall and although i love aston hall if we go back to posts 89 and 97 and look at the idealic photos that two has posted given the choice i think i may have chosen to save perry hall but to be honest a choice of which to keep should never have been an option
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they never learn do theylyn
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Master Barmmie
On the Thread “Perry Village,” post 106, there is the clip concerning the Birmingham Extension Bill 1927.
https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/perry-village.45354/page-6#post-609617
It seems that in 1927 Perry Barr was not in Birmingham, and this Bill was argument between West Bromwich, Birmingham and Sutton as to how Perry Barr should be carved up. Now it also seems that as soon as Perry Barr was in Birmingham, and early in 1928, the Corporation purchased Perry Hall and surrounding land. As soon as it came into their possession it was sold for demolition.
It would be interesting to see if anyone can unearth any direct evidence of a choice between the Halls. I would expect if that was so there would be some sources of opposition and debate.
https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/perry-village.45354/page-6#post-609617
It seems that in 1927 Perry Barr was not in Birmingham, and this Bill was argument between West Bromwich, Birmingham and Sutton as to how Perry Barr should be carved up. Now it also seems that as soon as Perry Barr was in Birmingham, and early in 1928, the Corporation purchased Perry Hall and surrounding land. As soon as it came into their possession it was sold for demolition.
It would be interesting to see if anyone can unearth any direct evidence of a choice between the Halls. I would expect if that was so there would be some sources of opposition and debate.
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
Here is a letter to the Birmingham Gazette of 4th February 1928 concerning the purchase of a portion of the Perry Estate. It seems there had been a chance to purchase the whole estate in the previous year.
It also shows that there may have been a decision to demolish the Hall even before the purchase, and the writer is against it. There is no mention of Aston Hall.
It also shows that there may have been a decision to demolish the Hall even before the purchase, and the writer is against it. There is no mention of Aston Hall.
Just to add to the background info. Here's an August 1921 advert from the Lichfield Mercury for the auction of the 'estate', but this didn't include the Hall itself. Interesting that there are Hamstead Colliery coal royalties included. And at this time the estate fell within Birmingham, Perry Barr and Great Barr. Viv.
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
This seems to be the advert for the sale of the second portion of the Estate in 1921. The first part was sold in 1920 to a syndicate (unnamed) and included the Hall.
The 1921 portion was sold to “a wealthy land owner from the South of England.” This would tie in with the letter above to the Gazette questioning the business sense of the Council, when they had a chance to buy the whole estate from a private source around 1927.
It is interesting that the advert mentions the “Extremely Valuable Coal Royalties” arising from the well-known Hamstead Colliery. Royalties are causing increasing bitterness in the coal industry, and it seemed that it was only a matter of time before they would be “nationalised.” I think they would last out to around 1938?
