According to warwickshirerailways.com the photo shows LMS 2-6-0 'Horwich Crab' at the east end of platform 1 New Street Station. Date is given as c.1928. Photographer: Arthur W Flowers.
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New Street Station From 1854
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In transition. View of Platform 1 as it undergoes redevelopment in the 1960s. Viv.
Source: British Newspaper Archive
Source: British Newspaper Archive
Radiorails
master brummie
There are photos here showing the earlier station, Midland and LNWR, and Queens Drive.
Heartland
master brummie
Birmingham New Street was originally two stations in one separated by Queen's Drive
Not strictly true, the Midland Railway built the one side of Queen Drive, but New Street station as a whole was classed as a "joint station" after the Midland Railway side was made and there was a joint station master.
The original station was effectively owned and built for the London & North Western Railway, but Midland Railway trains came to use it after their tenancy at Curzon Street ended. It was also, for a time, used by the Shrewsbury & Birmingham Railway and the South Staffordshire Railway companies. In the first years of it's existence the name Grand Central was applied to this original station.
With Grouping of 1921-23 New Street became the responsibility of the LMS and then BR. It was BR that reconstructed the station as part of the Electrification Scheme Liverpool & Manchester- London. It was Network Rail that were responsible for the modern make over, which led to the name Grand Central being applied to the shopping centre and the Metro Stop.
During 2022 the station signs also mentioned the Commonwealth Games which ended last Monday.
As to Station signage one perhaps that needs to be taken to task is Birmingham International which now has platform name boards "Birmingham Int"
What does the "Int" stand for apart from International
Interred
Interstellar
Interstratify
Interval
The list could go on, With Interval it may be appropriate as the next stage will be to build a HS 2 Station and an autonomous people mover which will have an intermediate stop for the NEC and a stop at the Airport, but will it serve the INT station as well ?
Not strictly true, the Midland Railway built the one side of Queen Drive, but New Street station as a whole was classed as a "joint station" after the Midland Railway side was made and there was a joint station master.
The original station was effectively owned and built for the London & North Western Railway, but Midland Railway trains came to use it after their tenancy at Curzon Street ended. It was also, for a time, used by the Shrewsbury & Birmingham Railway and the South Staffordshire Railway companies. In the first years of it's existence the name Grand Central was applied to this original station.
With Grouping of 1921-23 New Street became the responsibility of the LMS and then BR. It was BR that reconstructed the station as part of the Electrification Scheme Liverpool & Manchester- London. It was Network Rail that were responsible for the modern make over, which led to the name Grand Central being applied to the shopping centre and the Metro Stop.
During 2022 the station signs also mentioned the Commonwealth Games which ended last Monday.
As to Station signage one perhaps that needs to be taken to task is Birmingham International which now has platform name boards "Birmingham Int"
What does the "Int" stand for apart from International
Interred
Interstellar
Interstratify
Interval
The list could go on, With Interval it may be appropriate as the next stage will be to build a HS 2 Station and an autonomous people mover which will have an intermediate stop for the NEC and a stop at the Airport, but will it serve the INT station as well ?
Just to avoid any confusion this is from Wiki
New Street station was built in central Birmingham by the London and North Western Railway (LNWR) between 1846 and 1854, on the site of several streets in a marshy area known as "The Froggery"; it replaced several earlier rail termini on the outskirts of the centre, most notably Curzon Street, which had opened in 1838 and was no longer adequate for the level of traffic.[6] Samuel Carter, solicitor to both LNWR and the Midland Railway, managed the conveyancing.
Until 1885, the LNWR shared the station with the Midland; however, in 1885, the Midland Railway opened its own extension alongside the original station for the exclusive use of its trains, effectively creating two stations side by side. The two companies' stations were separated by a central roadway, Queens Drive. [6] Traffic grew steadily and, by 1900, New Street had an average of 40 trains an hour departing and arriving, rising to 53 trains in the peak hours.[7]
New Street station was built in central Birmingham by the London and North Western Railway (LNWR) between 1846 and 1854, on the site of several streets in a marshy area known as "The Froggery"; it replaced several earlier rail termini on the outskirts of the centre, most notably Curzon Street, which had opened in 1838 and was no longer adequate for the level of traffic.[6] Samuel Carter, solicitor to both LNWR and the Midland Railway, managed the conveyancing.
Until 1885, the LNWR shared the station with the Midland; however, in 1885, the Midland Railway opened its own extension alongside the original station for the exclusive use of its trains, effectively creating two stations side by side. The two companies' stations were separated by a central roadway, Queens Drive. [6] Traffic grew steadily and, by 1900, New Street had an average of 40 trains an hour departing and arriving, rising to 53 trains in the peak hours.[7]
I really like this 1927 view of passengers crossing the bridge. Must have been interesting getting a closer view of enormous arched roof. Wonder who the policeman was on the lookout for ? Are the levers around the clock for changing the tracks, like those of a signal box ? Viv.
Richard Dye
master brummie
Love those Birmingham stations!
mw0njm.
A Brummie Dude
me too i loved all of them stations in the steam era,they changed when the d d d diesels came that name got stuck in my throat
devonjim
master brummie
It was like this until mid 1960's wasn't it? Looks familiar to me.
Lloyd
master brummie
Yes, it was the station signal box Viv. There are more levers on the left hand side of that 'platform in the air' (smoke!). The arched roof was destroyed in the WW2 blitz.
hi just doing a bit of research and i wonder if anyone can confirm that apart from the froggery was the station also built on a jewish burial ground...thanks folks for any help given
lyn
We seem to have multiple threads for the 1850s station so maybe a mod could move the posts in this thread to the existing one below please ? Many thanks Viv
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New Street Station From1854
Birmingham New Street's famous footbridge, refurbished after the war, showing the section spanning Queen's Drive, which still had its mid-section canopy at this time, 13th April 1960. (1997) A century of railways around Birmingham and the West Midlands : a personal selection. Vol. 2. Great...
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See post #6 and #7 here Lyn. Viv.
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Disinterment and reinterments at Birmingham burial grounds
In this thread I intend to record any Birmingham disinterment and reinterment of human remains. I shall give brief details, an example of a report and give reference to the general thread about the place of worship and it’s burial ground. This may be of help to those researching the whereabouts...
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This is a quote from Chris Upton's 'History of Birmingham' (1993, p102):
"Hebrew cemeteries in Granville Street and Betholom Row (off Bath Row) were rendered unusable by the cutting of railway lines through or near them. The bodies from Granville Street were transferred to the new Hebrew cemetery at Witton; Betholom Row (which opened in 1823) remained in use for non-Birmingham Jews and indeed part of the burial ground still survives."
No mention that the station itself was built over a Hebrew burial ground.
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There were 20-30 burials at the Froggery, these being removed to Granville Street C1840s. These were again disinterred in the 1870s from Granville Street to Witton Cemetery.
Viv.
Viv.
This also mentions the Froggery Cemetery - first para. From Library of Birmingham Archives.
Viv.
Viv.
ive no idea mort.....found in an old disused room at the end of disused corridors underneath platform 1..photos passed onto me...just curious..thought maybe the innards of some sort of generator .. i am no expert on bricks but the brickwork in the corridors look pretty original to me
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A glimpse through the stationary trains of of one of the platforms at New Street Station in 1935. Was once an airy station unlike the 1960s subterranean nightmare it became.
Viv.
Viv.
mw0njm.
A Brummie Dude
as mort said part of a pump and piping. the brickwork is
English wall bond used by most railways. good pics Lyn thanks.
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
A Birmingham scene rich in transport history, taken from the Queen's Hotel…
This picture could not have been taken before work began on the Navigation St. bridge in
October 1951 (right), nor after closure of the Bristol Road tram routes in July 1952.
(1997) A century of railways around Birmingham and the West Midlands : a personal selection. Vol. 2.
This picture could not have been taken before work began on the Navigation St. bridge in
October 1951 (right), nor after closure of the Bristol Road tram routes in July 1952.
(1997) A century of railways around Birmingham and the West Midlands : a personal selection. Vol. 2.
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
Birmingham New Street's famous footbridge, refurbished after the war, showing the section spanning Queen's Drive, which still had its mid-section canopy at this time, 13th April 1960.
(1997) A century of railways around Birmingham and the West Midlands : a personal selection. Vol. 2.
(1997) A century of railways around Birmingham and the West Midlands : a personal selection. Vol. 2.
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
Another picture may be from the opposite direction?
“The crowded tootbridge at New Street, photographed about 1910 from the steps up to the Stephenson Street exit…”
(1997) A century of railways around Birmingham and the West Midlands : a personal selection. Vol. 2.
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
“An interior view of New Street c. 1905, taken from the west end screen towards the central footbridge, shows the sinzle-span trussed-arch root of 1854 the widest in the world at the time of construction. It was the work of EA. Cowper of Fox, Henderson & Co.” (John Alsop Collection)
Britain's lost railways : the twentieth-century destruction of our finest railway architecture by Minniss, John. (2011)
Britain's lost railways : the twentieth-century destruction of our finest railway architecture by Minniss, John. (2011)
DavidGrain
master brummie
I like the class 03 shunters for their pretending to look like steam engines.
