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Monument Road

Does anybody have any old maps of the Rotton Park area - pre-OS maps, say, early 19th century? I am trying to locate Spring Grove House, once the home of the glass entrepeneur William Chance who died in 1856.
 
www.midlandspubs.co.uk said:
Yes, she is listed in Icknield Street West but close to Ladywood Place which I suspect was near Ladywood Lane [later Ladywood Road]. In terms of the census she was not far from Icknield Port Road so it suggests she was in that part of the road. As I state on my web page, Monument Lane extended from Hagley Road to Ladywood Lane. Icknield Street West, along with Monument Lane, formed Monument Road around 1877, though there were trade directory listings for Monument Lane Station prior to this.
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The position of lady wood place is given on the 1880s map,below.. Iriginally the vine was listed as being run by thomas beach, who also had a nearby nursery. He died in the early 1840s, and the pub and nursery were then run for a time by Sarah and her son John.

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mikejee said:
The position of lady wood place is given on the 1880s map,below.. Iriginally the vine was listed as being run by thomas beach, who also had a nearby nursery. He died in the early 1840s, and the pub and nursery were then run for a time by Sarah and her son John.
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Thanks Mikejee, I hadn't got this map - are they back online now? I did clock the info on Thomas Beach. Following his death, Sarah sold off the lower part of the nursery, suggesting it was quite extensive. I had also noted the name of Beach Street and wondered if it referred to this family or the more famous industrialist. The location of Ladywood Place seems to suggest the former. Perhaps, and only conjecture on my part, that the street was laid out on laid formerly used as the nursery. Again, thanks for the map.
 
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Sorry, I forgot to add that the Vine inn sign fits in nicely with a nursery - there was also a vinery in the grounds of the aforementioned Spring Grove which wasn't far from the tavern. However, I do not know the exact location of the house. As Pedrocut posted, and I have seen the item to which he refers, this was possibly closer to St. John's Church.
 
www.midlandspubs.co.uk said:
Sorry, I forgot to add that the Vine inn sign fits in nicely with a nursery - there was also a vinery in the grounds of the aforementioned Spring Grove which wasn't far from the tavern. However, I do not know the exact location of the house. As Pedrocut posted, and I have seen the item to which he refers, this was possibly closer to St. John's Church.
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I think I have got to the bottom of this ... though in need of some more work. However, I believe the Vine Inn became the Sir John Falstaff Tavern. I have written a little blurb on my theory at : https://www.midlandspubs.co.uk/birmingham/monument-road/sir-john-falstaff-tavern.htm
 
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That seems very reasonable
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Seems to fit, though I would like to see more documents or map. Your contribution of the large-scale map was very helpful. I miss these maps! I could, if I could be arsed, go to the library to try and tie it all up neatly but I find the new library pretty much unusable and don't bother going to what is essentially a coffee shop with terminals and the odd book or two. Everything else requires a booking or reservation.
 
I have a great deal of sympathy with that view. You can view the 1880s plans online at the national museum of Scotland site, though for some reason a few parts are missing. They are supposed to be adding other maps, including the 1950s ones, but so far only London and a few southern areas are done
 
www.midlandspubs.co.uk said:
Seems to fit, though I would like to see more documents or map. Your contribution of the large-scale map was very helpful. I miss these maps! I could, if I could be arsed, go to the library to try and tie it all up neatly but I find the new library pretty much unusable and don't bother going to what is essentially a coffee shop with terminals and the odd book or two. Everything else requires a booking or reservation.
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I am not sure if this is of any use to you but I have been looking at this area in the context of R W Winfield. I don’t know the area at all. There are a couple of maps in it and it refers to a Kitchen Garden. I haven’t learnt how to put a link on here but the photo should give enough information to find it.
 

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hi tinpot...i cant seem to see the report on either of your links if it concerns winfield brass that was in cambridge st on the site of the new library i would be interested to read the report as i was up there a lot during the excavations some years ago

lyn
 
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hi tinpot...i cant seem to see the report on either of your links if it concerns winfield brass that was in cambridge st on the site of the new library i would be interested to read the report as i was up there a lot during the excavations some years ago

lyn
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It’s about proposals for land where RW Winfield had property rather than the works site. Tinpot
 

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I am not sure if this is of any use to you but I have been looking at this area in the context of R W Winfield. I don’t know the area at all. There are a couple of maps in it and it refers to a Kitchen Garden. I haven’t learnt how to put a link on here but the photo should give enough information to find it.
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Looks interesting but I cannot access it. It may be a restricted access site?
 
Unfortunately most of the maps are just referred to with references, as the Birmingham archives do not allow publication
Got to report by searching for {Edgbaston "chas yates" ladywood}
 
Well, I am plodding on with building my monument to Monument Road. Plenty to feast your eyes on so far - if anybody recognises some of the people please shout up!

History and Information on Monument Road in Ladywood Birmingham

History and Information on Monument Road in Ladywood at Birmingham in Warwickshire
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A week ago I knew little about this road. Now I almost feel as though I could go on Mastermind and select it as my specialist subject.
 
nice one of monument road folks...also street view below...hard to believe it once looked so different but at least the church is still there hidden by the trees in todays view

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Lyn, the picture in your post #45 is more likely to be the corner of Hyde Rd and Monument Road than Reservoir Road. Possibly even could be the corner of Oliver Road? I think the church, St. Johns, is too close for it to be Reservoir Road and I think Alston Street going off to the right would be in shot if it was actually the corner of Reservoir Road. Unfortunately Hyde Road is no longer in existence however Oliver Road is still there but much different today. As usual I may be wrong.
 
thanks dave you could well be correct..it could be a wrong location caption on the photo as we all know old photos can be very deceiving...maybe others can take a look..pretty sure you are correct in saying its st johns church..i will also do that when i have a bit more time today...thanks dave

lyn
 
The only way you could get that viewpoint is as Dave says, from Oliver Road.

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stars said:
Hi another one of Monument Road, taken 1958

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Cant be 1958 as the Triumph Herald did not come out till 1959. The Herald does not look Factory Fresh so I guess photo is 1962 ish.
 
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