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Coal Merchant

Nodrogw

master brummie
My Step great grandfather was a coal merchant, living at 204 Pitsford Street, Hockley, Birmingham. His name was Ernest Alfred Worsey, and I believe his business was known as Worsey and Sons. My great grandmother died whilst they were living at this address in August 1900. Can anyone tell me what happened to Worsey and Sons (Coal Merchants) after this date, and where they moved to. Also can anyone tell me if 204 Pitsford Street was at the Icknield Street End or AllSaints Street end of the street.
 

mikejee

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The yard at 204 Pitsford St is (I think) marked in red on the map c 1903. The house will be either the one on the left or right of it, though I suspect it to be the one on the left. Certainly it was close to that on that side of the street and there was at least one other building before the end of the street. Before it became a coal yard it was a drysalters.
Ernest Worsey & Sons , coal dealers were at Oozells St wharf in 1899 and there and 204 Pitsford St in 1900. the firm had disappeared by 1903, and a cab proprietor was at 204.
I assume that this was the same Ernest Worsey that ran The Vine pub in nearby Blews St West /Rosebery St up to 1899 (after which the pub disappeared).
mike

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Mike Fisher

Billesley Boy
In 1911 he appears a haulage contractor living at the Globe Inn, Grove Lane, Smethwick and his son Ernest is down as a boatman at 11 Grove Lane
 

mikejee

Super Moderator
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Sorry. I stopped too early.
No more entries till 1913 (nothing 1912)
1913 Ernest Worsey, coal dealer, 21 Shenstone road
(in 1912 it was Arthur Conyers, coal dealer and inn 1915 it was James Davies coal dealer)
1921 Worsey Ernest, furniture remover, 48 Thimble Mill lane
No 21 Shenstone road wasn’t there in 1903 so I can’t position it for you, b ut it was on the western side between Dudley road & colenso road.
I think no 21 is just about where barleycorn drive joins the road in 2010

Mike .Have you got a number for the Globe Inn, as it isn’t listed by name in kellys

Mike
 
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mikejee

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Thanks mike
Very peculiar. Have looked at 1901 census, and it shows the Globe at 201 Grove Lane, Smethwick. Kellys also shows it there till 1908, but from 1912 on it is not listed (nor no 201). I would reckon that by 1911 (as opposed to 1901) it had ceased being a pub, but was called that still. I have found that in one other place previously. The position in Grove lane is shown in blue on the 1901 map. This version doesn’t list it was a pub, but the 1890 version does. As can be seen there is a large area to the back suitable for a haulage contractor
Mike

 

Nodrogw

master brummie
Can you tell me if it is possible to print out the two diagrams on this thread, as they are of immense interest in my family tree
Regards
Gordon
 

ladylinda

master brummie
Hi, try right clicking (with mouse) on pic and selecting print option from dropdown menu.
Or right click "save as" to your computer and print from that at a later date?
 

yogimon

master brummie
Would anyone have any information on a coal merchant in Wattville Rd, Handsworth. approx 1920 onward. My mother-in-Law has told me that her Grandfather (James Mills) owned this business, she remembers going there to visit when she was young. Would anybody have any photos of Wattville rd from around that era. I have found a James Mills married to Mary stating that his profession is a Haulier Carter. Would that be a coal man? If so then i maybe on the right track..
 

horsencart

master brummie
At number 71 there is a Mills James coal dealer there were two other coal dealers in the same street

Would anyone have any information on a coal merchant in Wattville Rd, Handsworth. approx 1920 onward. My mother-in-Law has told me that her Grandfather (James Mills) owned this business, she remembers going there to visit when she was young. Would anybody have any photos of Wattville rd from around that era. I have found a James Mills married to Mary stating that his profession is a Haulier Carter. Would that be a coal man? If so then i maybe on the right track..
 

mikejee

Super Moderator
Staff member
Coalmen often were carters as well , and sometimes changed what they desribed them selves as over the years, though they might be doing exactly the same thing
 

sospiri

Ex-pat Brummie
Backbreaking work, similar to the olive picking here in Crete, except olive picking only lasts a few weeks and you don't get so dirty! :)

Maurice
 

mikejee

Super Moderator
Staff member
And don't get complaints from angry householders about dirtying up their home with their boots
 

Anne price

Brummie babby
Would anyone have any information on a coal merchant in Wattville Rd, Handsworth. approx 1920 onward. My mother-in-Law has told me that her Grandfather (James Mills) owned this business, she remembers going there to visit when she was young. Would anybody have any photos of Wattville rd from around that era. I have found a James Mills married to Mary stating that his profession is a Haulier Carter. Would that be a coal man? If so then i maybe on the right track..
I think u r looking for our family from Anne price
 

Anne price

Brummie babby
Would anyone have any information on a coal merchant in Wattville Rd, Handsworth. approx 1920 onward. My mother-in-Law has told me that her Grandfather (James Mills) owned this business, she remembers going there to visit when she was young. Would anybody have any photos of Wattville rd from around that era. I have found a James Mills married to Mary stating that his profession is a Haulier Carter. Would that be a coal man? If so then i maybe on the right track..
that is.My family
 
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