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Can anyone identify these uniforms

williamjukes

master brummie
My sister found this photograph in our cousins belongings. Our cousin doesn't know who the men on the bike are. We think the pillion passenger is wearing a RAF uniform but unsure of the riders uniform.

If any member can identify both of the uniforms it may help us identify the 2 young men.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

William.
 

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MWS

master brummie
Is the badge on the shoulder of the rider the same as the passenger but skewed a little?
 

williamjukes

master brummie
MWS I thought the same thing. It appears to have come loose - hence could be the same badge. However even with my magnifying glass I could not see clearly.

William.
 

pjmburns

master brummie
Are they definitely British uniforms?? I only ask because I have a photo of two Canadian men in uniform with very similar caps/hats. Posted to England in WW2 one is a relative but we don't know which one. :rolleyes:
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ChrisM

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Nice picture. Am pretty sure they are both RAF. The right hand man's shoulder - or at least his clothing - is slightly skewed which has distorted the eagle.. Two RAF aircraftmen, just ACs, certainly not aircrew, but there's no indication of their trade - mechanics, clerks, could be almost anything. Almost certainly WW2 or, just possibly, immediately postwar. A lovely English summer's day. Nothing in the background to suggest location but just possibly adjacent to some East Anglian aerodrome.

Janice makes a good point about other nationalities. But there would normally be an insignia on the upper sleeve saying, for example "CANADA" and I don't think there is anything there. Otherwise probably no difference in uniforms for all the nationalities within the RAF.

Chris.
 

AMW

master brummie
Ariel, the name of the bike, was manufactured in Birmingham and used as a military vehicle by the RAF. The chap at the front of the bike looks like he has a bag or something across his shoulder. Could he be some sort of a despatch rider?
 

williamjukes

master brummie
Thank you everyone for your help.

Although none of my family recognise either of these 2 young men, we did have an uncle who served in the
RAF - Aircraftman 1st Class.

Sadly he died in 1940 in a motor cycle accident returning to his ?regiment in Gloucester after being home on leave.

So he may actually be one of the men in the photograph.

William.
 

cookie273uk

master brummie
They are definitely RAF in 'best' Blue uniform as opposed to 'working' battle dress. On leave you were compelled to wear Best blue uniform. Their rank is either AC1 or AC2 ( aircraftman 1st or 2nd class) because LAC (leading aircraftman) or above would have the appropriate badges on the upper sleeve. I was in the RAF from 1948 to 1956 when we wore similar side caps which were later changed to berets. They are not Canadian because they would have had the word CANADA above the wing on the shoulder badge. Eric
 
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ChrisM

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Can you tell anything us about the life of this unfortunate young man, William?

Chris
 

williamjukes

master brummie
Chris, if the rider in the photo is my uncle he was born in Cheshire Street, Aston in 1904.

All I know is that he had been home on leave in 1940 and was on his way back to his camp when he was involved in a motorcycle accident. He was taken to Cheltenham hospital where he died of his injuries.

He is buried in Witton Cemetery and there is a Memorial for WW2 casualties there with his name on it.

I only found this information from my family research and I know nothing more about him.

William.

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williamjukes

master brummie
AMW

Many thanks for posting the newspaper articles of Alberts motorcycle accident.

After I had posted my request looking for information on the uniforms - and knowing absolutely nothing about Alberts accident I did start searching for the same, but didn't find everything that you had found, so I am most grateful, thank you very much.

William.
 
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