So the Golden Cross was some way 'on the other side of Jerry's Lane' and not actually on Jerry's Lane !
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Jerry’s Lane Erdington
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pjmburns
master brummie
So it would seem. It also looks as if 168 (The Hovel) is further down Jerry's Lane as well
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
As I see it for the mid 1800s the Golden Cross stood on the junction of the present day Bleak Hill, Perry Common Road, Short Heath Road, and Turfpits Lane. At the time Turfpits ran N but came to a dead end well before Oscott College.
Jerry’s Lane was farther N of this junction and connected Turfpits to Court Lane. ??
Jerry’s Lane was farther N of this junction and connected Turfpits to Court Lane. ??
Yes, agree,Pedro. Spent many afternoons waiting at the bus stop at the bottom of Bleak Hill to get home from school. Was always a scrum to get onto the bus (all girls too, I add!)
The Golden Cross is on this aeriel view, so too should the Bateman's house and nursery (posted by the late Oldmohawk on another thread).
The Golden Cross is on this aeriel view, so too should the Bateman's house and nursery (posted by the late Oldmohawk on another thread).
Shall move the Short Heath Road discussion to an appropriate thread
I wondered about the date of the building Pedro as the one in OMs aeriel view looks possibly 1930s. It being a replacement for an older pub on a different spot is helpful info. Thanks.
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
I don’t believe the claim in the article that the Bateman family are acknowledged for the opening of the Golden Cross public house is true. In the 1871 census the landlord at the Golden Cross was Jeremiah Cutler, and John Bateman was recorded living close by as a retired victualler.
There is also a recording in a 1866 directory of Jeremiah Cutler at the Golden Cross. The Cross was in existence sometime before 1857.
If we go back to the 1851 census John Bateman is down as a beer seller living in Turf pits, but no mention of the Golden Cross. Even further back in 1841 he is living in Witton and listed as an agricultural labourer.
Jerry’s Lane is recorded on the 1882 surveyed OS Map.
There is also a recording in a 1866 directory of Jeremiah Cutler at the Golden Cross. The Cross was in existence sometime before 1857.
If we go back to the 1851 census John Bateman is down as a beer seller living in Turf pits, but no mention of the Golden Cross. Even further back in 1841 he is living in Witton and listed as an agricultural labourer.
Jerry’s Lane is recorded on the 1882 surveyed OS Map.
I have copied the posts relating to the history of the Golden Cross, the Batemans and Cutler interests (both old and new public houses) to the Golden Cross Erdington thread. I shall leave relevant posts on this thread too as it relates/overlaps with the Jerry's Lane discussion.
Please now post Golden Cross related responses to that thread - link below.
Many thanks
https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/threads/golden-cross-erdington.22391
Please now post Golden Cross related responses to that thread - link below.
Many thanks
https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/threads/golden-cross-erdington.22391
From a recent post on Facebook:
This Hovel is an agricultural worker’s dwelling dating from the 1600s hidden in a kink in Jerry’s Lane, Erdington. It was last lived in during the 1960s, after which it decayed to beyond being merely unfit for habitation. The shell of the building was hidden in the north-western corner of a commercial nursery and remained untouched until the Nineties, when there was a succession of proposals to develop the site.
Each proposal included the demolition of The Hovel, but to their eternal credit Birmingham City Council dug their heels in and eventually secured a deal whereby the remainder of the site – what became Kestrel Close – was developed to a higher density than would otherwise been allowed in exchange for the complete restoration of The Hovel and it being left in a plot of suitably large size so as to maintain the character of the building.
The details of this process are both confused and tortuous, but by early 2001 The Hovel was a completed restoration by Crest Nicholson sitting in a landscaped 1/3-acre garden plot. The quality of the job was beyond reproach. As much as possible of the original materials were salvaged, cleaned and re-used – 400-year old hand-made bricks are not easy to come by after all. An archaeological dig was carried out prior to the reconstruction, which also unearthed a lot more detail for the builders to use. By the time it was completed, The Hovel had been reborn as a single-bedroom dwelling with a living room, kitchen and bathroom. The outside toilet 'hut' had been retained, not only featuring its ‘original’ Elsan bucket, but also as somewhere to house the gas and electricity meters.
The original cooking range had been salvaged, but only as a decorative item – the decay was too serious for it to be able to withstand heat. Instead, heating was by way of underfloor pipes in the ground floor rooms (all of which had been relaid with bricks over a modern damp course) and 1920s style radiators upstairs. All fixtures and fittings were recreated as accurately as possible to the originals, right down to the hand-made door catches and odd-widths of wood used to make the doors. Even the lock in the front door was made by hand by the locksmiths who look after Litchfield Cathedral – the key was over six inches long and had a shaft over ¼-inch thick! Even the glass used in the windows was hand-made, although this did have to be specially imported from Holland.
Because double-glazing was not allowed – The Hovel is a Grade II Listed Building – the builder had to very heavily insulate as much as the fabric of the building as possible to make it meet current regulations, not easy in a house whose walls are only one brick thick. The roof – the bedroom and bathroom are in the roof space – was given very high-efficiency insulation under the tiles, but still had exposed structural timber on the inside. Where possible, the walls were wood panelled inside, the same grade of insulation used in the roof being packed in behind it. The huge insulation gain of these methods allowed other walls to remain as limewashed brick inside, which added as much character as they did to the heat loss! However, the average heat efficiency of the design allowed The Hovel to be sold with a ten-year NHBC Warranty – no mean feat for a building that was actually 400 years old. This split-personality did give surveyours a good number of problems – how could a 'new' house be built to such 'poor' standards? By 'poor' standards, they meant single-brick thick walls, walls that bulged and doors that were only 5' tall. This was an exact recreation of The Hovel when it was newly built, and as such the recreative build quality was exceptionally high.
The kitchen units were hand-made to suit by carpenters who knew what they were doing, even going so far as using reclaimed inch-thick slate to make the worktops. The same carpenters also recreated a very compact staircase that needed to turn through 180 degrees in a space just five feet wide by three deep, and made uneven doors to fit uneven frames using uneven timer to recreate the original and unsalvagable items.
The finished result was a credit to all involved, and The Hovel - the last survivor of its kind in the Midlands - was sold into private hands in August 2001. As a private home it is not open to the public, but should you ever have the chance to see it - don't turn it down.
A Pictures of England article submitted by Mike Allmey
Pictures of England Articles Many thanks
This Hovel is an agricultural worker’s dwelling dating from the 1600s hidden in a kink in Jerry’s Lane, Erdington. It was last lived in during the 1960s, after which it decayed to beyond being merely unfit for habitation. The shell of the building was hidden in the north-western corner of a commercial nursery and remained untouched until the Nineties, when there was a succession of proposals to develop the site.
Each proposal included the demolition of The Hovel, but to their eternal credit Birmingham City Council dug their heels in and eventually secured a deal whereby the remainder of the site – what became Kestrel Close – was developed to a higher density than would otherwise been allowed in exchange for the complete restoration of The Hovel and it being left in a plot of suitably large size so as to maintain the character of the building.
The details of this process are both confused and tortuous, but by early 2001 The Hovel was a completed restoration by Crest Nicholson sitting in a landscaped 1/3-acre garden plot. The quality of the job was beyond reproach. As much as possible of the original materials were salvaged, cleaned and re-used – 400-year old hand-made bricks are not easy to come by after all. An archaeological dig was carried out prior to the reconstruction, which also unearthed a lot more detail for the builders to use. By the time it was completed, The Hovel had been reborn as a single-bedroom dwelling with a living room, kitchen and bathroom. The outside toilet 'hut' had been retained, not only featuring its ‘original’ Elsan bucket, but also as somewhere to house the gas and electricity meters.
The original cooking range had been salvaged, but only as a decorative item – the decay was too serious for it to be able to withstand heat. Instead, heating was by way of underfloor pipes in the ground floor rooms (all of which had been relaid with bricks over a modern damp course) and 1920s style radiators upstairs. All fixtures and fittings were recreated as accurately as possible to the originals, right down to the hand-made door catches and odd-widths of wood used to make the doors. Even the lock in the front door was made by hand by the locksmiths who look after Litchfield Cathedral – the key was over six inches long and had a shaft over ¼-inch thick! Even the glass used in the windows was hand-made, although this did have to be specially imported from Holland.
Because double-glazing was not allowed – The Hovel is a Grade II Listed Building – the builder had to very heavily insulate as much as the fabric of the building as possible to make it meet current regulations, not easy in a house whose walls are only one brick thick. The roof – the bedroom and bathroom are in the roof space – was given very high-efficiency insulation under the tiles, but still had exposed structural timber on the inside. Where possible, the walls were wood panelled inside, the same grade of insulation used in the roof being packed in behind it. The huge insulation gain of these methods allowed other walls to remain as limewashed brick inside, which added as much character as they did to the heat loss! However, the average heat efficiency of the design allowed The Hovel to be sold with a ten-year NHBC Warranty – no mean feat for a building that was actually 400 years old. This split-personality did give surveyours a good number of problems – how could a 'new' house be built to such 'poor' standards? By 'poor' standards, they meant single-brick thick walls, walls that bulged and doors that were only 5' tall. This was an exact recreation of The Hovel when it was newly built, and as such the recreative build quality was exceptionally high.
The kitchen units were hand-made to suit by carpenters who knew what they were doing, even going so far as using reclaimed inch-thick slate to make the worktops. The same carpenters also recreated a very compact staircase that needed to turn through 180 degrees in a space just five feet wide by three deep, and made uneven doors to fit uneven frames using uneven timer to recreate the original and unsalvagable items.
The finished result was a credit to all involved, and The Hovel - the last survivor of its kind in the Midlands - was sold into private hands in August 2001. As a private home it is not open to the public, but should you ever have the chance to see it - don't turn it down.
A Pictures of England article submitted by Mike Allmey
Pictures of England Articles Many thanks
the hovel is still there...shame we cant get a better look at it
Radiorails
master brummie
I have encountered similar places in Devon. Elsan, no running water - a well was used with accompanying bilge pump and no electric supply or gas.