Alf, i think you think im having a go at the people who lived there? Why would I? And yes, people were house proud, of course, but it doesnt escape the fact, that many of these houses should have been knocked down years ago, well before the 60s, most of my family were from the Ladywood/Edgbaston area, and some of them were losing children/babies at the turn of the 1900s, due to living conditions!! I know our house was a slum, my mom told me so, but thats not a slur on the people who lived in them!!! In fact, im very proud of the way, my parents picked themselves up, and brought another house, and got on with life!