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Esther Hudson
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pjmburns
master brummie
I think it is "by visitation of god" actually used in 19th century for natural deaths. It referred to an inexplicable death (ie hemotypsis should not have killed him) people thought that the person died because God had visited them.
Likely but the address does not fit. Next I’m looking at the other sister Elizabeth who died in 1863. I think she may be Mary Ann’s daughter. Such a lot for one family to takein 5 years. Latimer street was not healthy that’s for sure. In 6years, the parents, their son his wife and daughter, and a child All died beforethe age of 50.
thamk you all for your help. It was Emily who I don’t know existed, helped break the mystery.
OK - I really am done for today. Checked the birth of Mary and Samuels first child esther green. She was born at Latimer Street, so Samuel was moved in and head of the household from March 1864 at the earliest. So that narrows a marriage down if there was one to around 1863-1864.
There is already a picture emerging of the dynamic. As I said previously Samuel lived in Latimer street and would have been around at the time of all the issues for Mary. Brother dying in 1863 and her daughter too. So if I was a guessing women, a marriage would have been after June 1863 and before March 1864 when her first child would have been conceived.
There is already a picture emerging of the dynamic. As I said previously Samuel lived in Latimer street and would have been around at the time of all the issues for Mary. Brother dying in 1863 and her daughter too. So if I was a guessing women, a marriage would have been after June 1863 and before March 1864 when her first child would have been conceived.
I think we have a match here. There is mention in the Birmingham News 01/11/1858 of George Hudson committing a crime. His address is referenced as Tyndell Street. On the birth Certificate for Elizabeth Hudson, this is street is reference as where she lives so looks likely a connection. He would have been around 18 at this point.
Need to now check - to see whether its the same person convicted of long custodial sentences in 1874 and 1887. The physical description by 1887 is rather depressing and he seemed to have been in the proverbial wars if its the same man. few scars, broken thigh and a missing left arm. There seems to be a photograph also which I need to validate.
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Thank you Janice. Which record is this so I can have a look please. The record for 1876 where he received a 10 year custodial sentence says he has 3 previous convictions, previously managed under police supervision.
Had a very interesting journey through the newspapers of the period. George Jr, is in there a lot due to his habitual criminality.
George Sr is probably in there too. He died in a different location which puzzled me - but there was a record of him in the periodicals as living apart from his wife and then this.
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MWS
from Bham
The burial was 1860 but there doesn't appear to be a death registration.
no. I haver a baptism record for esther baker in sept 1815 At st martins which fits but does not look like her death is registered for the burial above at holy trinity, if it is her but I just cannot validate this without the death cert. Looks like her estranged husband was a massive drunk. So thinking, he may not have done it, but I would have thought her kids would.
pjmburns
master brummie
Sorry I was confused about which person you meant.
MWS
from Bham
Frustrating but I think it would pretty safe to assume it is the correct person. Age is right and there doesn't appear to be any other Esther it could be, and burials for relatives also took place at the church so there's a connection.
You could try to see if there's a connection to someone living on Brass St in 1861 but seems a laborious task and no guarantee she would have been living with a relative.
You could try to see if there's a connection to someone living on Brass St in 1861 but seems a laborious task and no guarantee she would have been living with a relative.
brass street was off summer lane..long since gone now but if interested we do have a thread for brass street which also show old photos...lyn....click on link below
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Brass Street (previously Pumphrey Street)
This is not so much a look-up request as a plea for suggestions/advice regarding the 1841 Census in Brum. I have been researching one of several Brummie family lines, the HUTCHINSONs. (Note: I made a previous posting about them having found my 3xG Grandmother Elizabeth HUTCHINSON's death in a...
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Looking to see whether it was in the local of Tindall Street / Latimer Street & wherever the Glasscutters arms was located in 1858. In a newspaper court record, there was a pub walk from my Gt Gt grandfather from Tindall street, down hill street - I know he ended up in the glasscutters arms but its annoyingly not referenced by Street. There is mention of an earlier stop-off at the Coal Hole in Ann Street but again - no idea where this was.
MWS
from Bham
Tndal St is the Ladywood side of Broad St, Latmer St is on the other side of Broad St about a mile away.
Neither are particularly close to Brass St but if Esther was trying to get away from George then she would a distance away.
There was a Glasscutters Arms on Hospital St which is towards New Town and not far from Brass St.
Neither are particularly close to Brass St but if Esther was trying to get away from George then she would a distance away.
There was a Glasscutters Arms on Hospital St which is towards New Town and not far from Brass St.
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pjmburns
master brummie
Although now forming part of Colmore Row, Ann Street was the former name of the section of road between Congreve Street and Newhall Street. Both Ann Street and Colmore Row were on the edge of the Newhall Estate belonging to the Colmore family.
Taken from www.midlandspubs.co.uk
see here for info on real name of "cole hole"
www.midlandspubs.co.uk
Taken from www.midlandspubs.co.uk
see here for info on real name of "cole hole"
History of the Bell and Candlestick on Ann Street in Birmingham
History and Information on the Bell and Candlestick on Ann Street at Birmingham in Warwickshire
