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WW1 Street Memorials & Rolls of Honour

Hi Netti

Spoke to my mom. She does not remember the name of Arthur or Ada Harris. However, after telling her the names commemorated on the memorial she remembers some of the families who lost their loved ones from Talfourd Street.

Terry
 
Wendy

the people we are looking for are Ada and Arthur Harris. Ada originally married George Nutt who died and is on the memorial but her maiden name was Yates - just noticed you have Yates in your list...
 
Thanks Terry

I wonder what happened to the memorial? Does your mum remember which house it was on? I looked on google maps and it all looks quite new - guess they demolished the original houses?
 
For those who want to see the names....

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Netti thank you for re posting so the names can be seen. My grandmother was Clarissa Yates I must admit I haven't researched her wider family mind you Yates is a very common name around Birmingham.
 
Having visited Charles and John Witsey's graves in France. I find seeing their names from a picture probably taken in the 1920's fascinating.

The houses in Talfourd Street were demolished in the late 1930's. My nan and the rest of the family moved to Lea Village around 1938/9

Thanks Netti for the time you have taken in all your replies and adding the pictures

Regards

Terry
 
I first started this topic when I placed a picture of the Greenway Street Roll of Honour. However, since the forum was hacked the pictures of the memorial have now vanished. I was going to upload them again, but having looked at the new demonstration tutorial of how to upload images I am afraid to say I have not got a clue what to do!!!

Terry
 
Terry, I have sent you a message with information on how to get started. You'll soon be posting :)
 
Great photo Terry, and good to see it in context with its surroundings. Is this the one that has been saved and put in Morrisons?
 
Thanks Terry. What a smashing photo it's sad the memorials have gone but nice we have photo's to look at. It would be nice to see some more. It would be nice to have a thread on the memorial plaques from Birmingham that were and are in factories, clubs, churches etc.
 
Well Done Terry !! Even sharper pictures than the ones that were hacked...how I wish that I had taken notice of this memorial when I lived in Greenway street, especially as I now know that my Charles Minchin is mentioned on it.

Margaret.
 
well done terry its lovely to see those pics however sad...

thank you so much for reposting them..the more we can get back onto the forum the better..

lyn
 
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Great photo Terry, and good to see it in context with its surroundings. Is this the one that has been saved and put in Morrisons?
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Hi netti

I am sorry to say I do not know. I will have to investigate


Thanks for all the other replies regarding the re-posted pictures


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I have been doing some research on the names off the Talfourd Street Memorial and have come up with the following information. It is sad that amongst these names are two brothers and a father and son. Unfortunately I have come up blank on some of the names mainly due to too many possibilities or no info at all. A couple I am unable to read so if any one can fill in the blanks please let me know.

Hull Joseph, Private 9047 4th Bn Worcester Regiment. KIA 06/08/1915 remembered on the Helles memorial Turkey.

Hurley John, Serjeant 9336 9th Bn Worcester Regiment. KIA 10/08/1915 aged 31 remembered on the Helles memorial Turkey. [TABLE="width: 614"]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 818"]Son of David and Elizabeth Hurley, of 50, Talfourd St., Small Heath, Birmingham; husband of Emily Hurley, of 1 Court, 2 House, White Rd., Sparkbrook, Birmingham. His brother G Hurley was unfit for service overseas and was sent to Birmingham Metal Munition Factory Saltley. He was discharged from the Army in January 1918. He also lived at 50 Talfourd Street, Small Heath, Birmingham.

Taylor George unable to locate information.

Dove Joseph, Rifleman A/3539 Kings Royal Rifle Corps KIA 16/09/1915 remembered on the Potijze memorial Belgium.

Coles Daniel unable to locate information.

Cox E unable to locate information.

Witsey John, Private 303353 1st/5th Bn South Staffordshire Regiment KIA 09/08/1918 aged 23. Remembered Fouquiers Churchyard France. [TABLE="width: 614"]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 818"]Son of Mrs. E. Witsey, of 36, Talfourd St., Small Heath, Birmingham. His brother Charles also fell. [TABLE="width: 1407"]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 1876"]He volunteered in September 1914, and in the following July proceeded to France. There he took part in many important engagements including those at Loos, the Somme, Albert, Delville Wood, Mametz Wood, Vimy Ridge, Ypres Messines and Ploegsteert, and was killed in action at Ypres on August 6th 1918. He was entitled to the 1914-15 Star, General Service and Victory Medals. 36 Talfourd Street, Small Heath, Birmingham.[/TD]
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Witsey Charles, Private 8470 1st Bn Worcester Regiment. DOW 06/11/1916 remembered Etaples Military Cemetery France. [TABLE="width: 1407"]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 1876"]Called up from the Reserve in August 1914, he quickly proceeded to France, where he fought with distinction at the Battles of the Marne, the Aisne, Ypres (1914 and 1915), Neuve Chapelle, Loos and the Somme. In the last named engagement he was so severely wounded that he died a few days later on November 6th 1916. He was entitled to the 1914 Star, and the General Service and Victory Medals. 36 Talfourd Street, Small Heath, Birmingham.

Nevitt Thomas (Jun) Lance Corporal 33863 10th Bn Loyal North Lancashire Regiment. KIA 14/07/1914 remembered Derry House Cemetery Belgium. [TABLE="width: 614"]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 818"] Brother of Miss S. Nevitt, of 45, Talford St., Small Heath, Birmingham. Formerly 1042 Royal Warwickshire Regiment. His father Thomas also fell.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 1876"]He volunteered in 1914, and early in the following year after a brief training, was sent to France. There he played a prominent part in many important engagements, including those at Hill 60, Festubert, Loos, the Somme, Arras and Vimy Ridge, but fell in action near Arras on July 20th 1917. He was entitled to the 1914-15 Star, General Service and Victory Medals. 45 Talfourd Street, Small Heath, Birmingham.

Nevitt Thomas Private 40384 10th Bn South Wales Borderers KIA 26/08/1918 remembered Caterpillar Valley Cemetery France. [TABLE="width: 614"]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 818"]Formerly 7639 Bedford Regiment. His son Thomas Junior also fell. Thomas is shown as living in Small Heath Birmingham. [TABLE="width: 1407"]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 1876"]He joined in June 1916, and in August of the same year was drafted to the Western Front, where he took an important part in fighting on the Somme. He also served in the Battles of Vimy Ridge, and Lens, but was killed in action whilst fighting on the Somme during the advance on August 26th 1918. He was entitled to the Genral Service and Victory Medals. 45 Talfourd Street, Small Heath, Birmingham.

Out of time I will post some more latter if anyone is interested.

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Well done Tony you have worked hard. Thank you for the information this thread is becoming quite interesting.
 
Hi Tony

What Great work you are doing:)

I think I have found something for Daniel Coles in soldiers died in the Great War.

Daniel COLE
Birth Place : Liverpool
Death date: 12 Nov 1914
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Birmingham
Rank: Private
Regiment: Royal Warwickshire Regiment
Battalion: 1st Battalion
Number: 7535
Killed in Action - Theatre of War: Western European

The CWCG also has the extra info: Daniel COLE aged 33 husband of Hannah Cole of 6/56 Talfourd Street, Small Heath, Birmingham
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Daniel James Cole married Hannah Cox in 1909 Bham. By 1911 they had 2 children, John Thomas B1909 & Sarah Ann B1910
 
The listing for E. Cox's death date looks like 7th Oct 1917 on the memorial. I can't make out his regiment though. The following could be him?

Edwin Cox, born Birmingham. Died 7th Oct 1917 Flance & Flanders. Private, Sherwood Foresters (Nottinghamshire & Derbyshire Regiment) 9th battalion, no: 73078, died of wounds. Formerly 9864, South Staffs Regt.
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Thanks Wendy,

Some more of the names off the Talfourd Street memorial.

Leonard Frederick Samuel, Private 953 1st/9th Bn Hampshire Regiment, died in service 05/02/1919. Remembered Churkin Russian Navel cemetery, Russian Federation. [TABLE="width: 614"]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 818"]Husband of Annie Hinson (formerly Leonard), of 42, Watery Lane, Small Heath, Birmingham. Formerly 37689 Somerset Light Infantry.

Evans Howard Augustus, Private 9605 1st Bn Royal Welsh Fusiliers. KIA 16/05/1915 aged 25. Remembered Le Touret memorial France. [TABLE="width: 614"]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 818"]Brother of Emma Evans, of 3/12, Talfourd St. Small Heath, Birmingham. [TABLE="width: 1407"]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 1876"]He was called up from the Reserve in August 1914 and was immediately drafted to the Western Front, where he was wounded in action at Mons. He was invalided home, but returned to France on his recovery in February 1915 and after seeing much severe fighting, was killed in action at Festubert on May 16th 1915. He was entitled to the Mons Star, General Service and Victory Medals. 3/12 Talfourd Street, Small Heath Birmingham.

Turner Bert Unable to locate information.

Price John Aubrey, Private 6388 9th Bn Royal Warwickshire Regiment, DOW 07/08/1915. Remembered on the Helles memorial Turkey. [TABLE="width: 614"]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 818"]John is shown as living in Small Heath Birmingham.

Steadman Arthur,Rifleman 11885 1st Bn Kings Royal Rifle Corps, KIA 27/07/1916 aged 21. Remembered on the Thiepval memorial Somme France. [TABLE="width: 614"]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 818"]Son of Mrs. Sarah Steadman, of 14 Talfourd St., Small Heath, Birmingham.[/TD]
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Shepperd Samuel, Private 241040 1st/8th Bn Royal Warwickshire Regiment. KIA 04/10/1918. [TABLE="width: 614"]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 818"]Samuel is shown as living in Small Heath Birmingham. Not listed in the CWGC.

Brooks J H Private 477109 Royal Canadian Regiment died 09/04/1917. remembered at the La Chudiere cemetery Vimy France. [TABLE="width: 614"]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 818"]Son of Edwin and Emma Brookes, of 25, Talfourd St., Small Heath, Birmingham, England. Born at Loughborough, Leicestershire, England.[/TD]
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Allsop George. Unable to locate information.

Nutt George Edward, Private 4790 2nd Bn Royal Warwickshire Regiment. KIA 04/05/1917. Remembered on the Arras memorial France. [TABLE="width: 1407"]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 1876"]He Volunteered in September 1914, and in August of the following year was drafted to the Western Front, where he took part in heavy fighting at Ypres and La Bassee, served through the Battles of Loos, the Somme, and Arras, and was killed in action at Bullecourt on May 4th 1917. He was entitled to the 1914-15 Star, and the General Service and Victory medals. 6, Verona Place, Talfourd Street, Small Heath, Birmingham.

Gorman Joseph, Lance Corporal 6672 2nd Bn Cameronians KIA 10/03/1915 aged 32. Remembered Le Touret memorial France. [TABLE="width: 614"]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 818"]Son of the late Thomas and Mary Gorman; husband of the late Julia Gorman. Served in the South African Campaign.

Russell Thomas, Private 9016 11th Bn Royal Warwickshire Regiment. KIA 24/06/1916. Remembered Hannescamps New Military Cemetery France. [TABLE="width: 614"]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 818"]Thomas is shown as living in Small Heath Birmingham.[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 1876"]Volunteering in November 1914, he was dispatched to France in July of the following year. In that theatre of war he served for twelve months in many different sectors of the forward areas, giving services of a very valuable character. He took an important part with his unit, in the Battles of the Somme, and Loos and made the supreme sacrifice on June 24th 1916,being killed in action at Arras. He was entitled to the 1914-15 star, and the General Service and Victory Medals. 8/30 Telfourd Street, Small Heath, Birmingham.[/TD]
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Bradley John Daniel, Serjeant 66982 "B" Bty 50th Bde, Royal Field Artilery. KIA 20/11/1917 aged 25. Remembered Coxyde Military Cemetery Belgium. [TABLE="width: 614"]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 818"]Son of Mr. and Mrs. Bradley, of Talfourd St., Small Heath; husband of Amy Hall (formerly Bradley), of 16, Blake Lane, Yardley Rd., Small Heath, Birmingham.

Musgrove Arthur Edgar, Private 9438 2nd Bn South Staffordshire Regiment. KIA 26/01/1917 aged 20. Remembered Courcelette British Cemetery France. [TABLE="width: 614"]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 818"]Son of Harry and Sarah Ann Musgrove, of 39, Talfourd St., Small Heath, Birmingham. Enlisted Aug., 1914. [TABLE="width: 1407"]
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[TD="class: xl65, width: 1876"]He volunteered in August 1914, and served at various stations during his training and was then drafted to France. There he saw much heavy fighting on the Somme, where he was killed in action on January 26th 1917. He was entitled to the General Service and Victory medals. 39 Talfourd Street, Small Heath, Birmingham.

Hawkins Ernest Theodore, Rifleman R/1959 9th Bn Kings Royal Rifle Corps. KIA 19/09/1916. Remembered Thiepval memorial France.

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"Turner Bert Unable to locate information"

Started out to think perhaps Bert is short for Albert. Found an Albert Edward Turner, birth place Swindon, residence, Small Heath. Died 3rd March 1915, KIA Western European Theater of War. Enlisted in Bham. Regiment, KRRC 4th Battalion, reg no. 11249 - CWCG: Grave?Memorial Reference: Panel 51 and 53 YPRES (MENIN GATE)

To further establish if Bert is the above Albert.
1911 has Albert (B1898 Swindon), parents and siblings living at 101 Carlton Rd, Aston. In 1912 there is a Charles Turner listed with 2 addresses: 101 Carlton Rd and 13 Talfourd St. By 1918 the absence voter electoral roll shows 2 of Albert's brothers living at 13 Talfourd Street. Not conclusive but if perhaps we could see Bert's other details a bit closer on the Talfourd St Memorial we might be able to link him to the above.

Just been lucky enough to find Albert Edward Turner's service records. They confirm the parents and siblings from the 1911 and the address for him is 13 Talfourd Street, Small Heath. He enlisted in KRRC 6 Oct 1913 aged 18 and 10 months, He was a Carter by trade.
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"Allsop George. Unable to locate information."

CWCG has George Victor Alsop (one L) Royal Field Artillery, A Bty, 92nd Bde.
UK Soldiers died in the Great War has a George Victor Alsop (the Telfourd St plaque says George V Allsop)
Birth place: St. Andrews
Death date: 5 Aug 1917
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Birmingham
Rank: DVR.
Regiment: Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery
Number: 83995 KIA

Suzanne
 
Suzanne

That leaves just 3 George Taylor, Harry Mason, T Nevett + one name I cannot read. Very top of the middle list. Can you work them out.

Tony
 
Hi Tony

I have started to research the names, but you have beaten me to it. What is the name on the last plaque, right hand side on the bottom. Is it Homans?

Thanks for what you have done.

I plan to make a copy of the central section of the memorial. As you know the Witsey's were my Great Uncles and Gibbons was my Nan's first husband.

Terry
 
Name: NEVITT
Initials: T
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lance Corporal
Regiment/Service: The Loyal North Lancashire Regiment
Unit Text: 10th Bn.
Date of Death: 14/07/1917
Service No: 33863
Additional information: Brother of Miss S. Nevitt, of 45, Talford St., Small Heath, Birmingham.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. B. 19.
Cemetery: DERRY HOUSE CEMETERY No.2
 
Hi Terry

Good to hear from you. The name you are looking for bottom right is Homans James Henry, Bombardier RFA. Died at home 03/03/19. Buried in Yardley Cemetery. Son of Eliza Homans of 1, Back of 5 Talfourd Street.

By the way will we be seeing you on the 10/12/11

Tony
 
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