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winson green asylum
- Thread starter josietrue
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hi josie...the only place i can think of is to ask the library if they have any records of the asylum...
when i enquired about the records of the weston road workhouse they said they no longer had them but ive been told since by someone that they do have them..think i was being fobbed off so next time i go to the library i shall want to speak to someone in authority just to make sure...i have a rellie in the workhouse certainly from 1881 to 1891..she died in 1893...just need her death cert to confirm that she died in the workhouse which i am assuming she did..
lyn
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pjmburns
master brummie
You can check what records they have here:
https://calmview.birmingham.gov.uk/CalmView/
At the top there is a search space. This might save a wasted visit.
Janice
https://calmview.birmingham.gov.uk/CalmView/
At the top there is a search space. This might save a wasted visit.
Janice
ColinB
gone but not forgotten
All patient records are destroyed after a certain amount of time, so it's very unlikely anything would be found about an individual, https://bma.org.uk/practical-support-at-work/ethics/retention-of-health-records
Some patient registers and minutes from meeting have survived so may be worth getting in touch with archive dept.
Colin
Some patient registers and minutes from meeting have survived so may be worth getting in touch with archive dept.
Colin
Hi Josie,Just Been Reading Your thread on The hospital and one of your relies death there in the 1800 s
And May I add to say to you ,that should you at any Given Time Had Visited that hospital you would have been more horrifyed to see
What you would have seen And the conditions of the buildings and the outlay and the dark grim corridors and s
Social units for the very sick and mental cases that was thrown Into there and the high security units for such violent people with such disorders
Whom are highly dangerous and viciously attacked by patients whom actually harm the medical staff and the only way to contain these
People by force to restaint. Them from either themselves or staff
I myself Have seen first hand of this particular hospital above ground and the lower ground where these dangerous people are kept
In large wards together male and female patients actually screaming and shouting and jumping up and down on there beds
Fully clothed with hat and costs on on a red hot summers day to get into this section you had to ring the door bell and there is big heavy bolts
And key locks before they open the door of that big neavvy steel plate door and belekve me its really nerve racking to.be in there
On my visit I was highly petrifyed for the hours I was there visiting
When you walk down that drive of lodge road the further you walk and the closer you get to the building and enter its true its dark and
Intimdateing feeling you are watching your back for the fear of attack incidently I was attacked from behind but I had good reflectors
And had some one whom I was with knew the person whom attacked me and we took her to one of these prison cell wards
Where I witnessed the screaming and carrying one
I do not wish to offend you but as to what your relative was admitted in there fore do you know,
These
People have super strength within themselves and staff have to be very alert to protect themselves even thou they are highly trained
proffesionioaly to restrain them without harm to the patient and themselves must like prison officierrs have to be
And unfortunelatey things do happen like this
May I add I do have knowledge of this particular hospital and witnessed first hand of the hospital itself and the internal design
As we all know its originally Birmingham asylum an of a prison for Birmingham before the prison was extented and renamed
But all those cells are still there within that hospital below grounds believe me they are the original big cells where men in the 1800 s
Was kept together when prison life was in the dark ages
Becasuse of today's prison population at the green area years back they reclaimed some of the old wards to make more single cells for men
Some years ago in the seventys they built an holding block for women in Birmingham courts whom would have been remanded
For a couple of days and rather waste the ex pence of transporting them to Holloway prison in London
They thought they would keep them at the green but because the exp.osion of inmates now they. Needed the space
They abandoned it and back they weren't to Holloway the jam factory they used to call it way back in the early hears because they made all the jams and suppillied all
Prisons best wishe. Astonian,,,,,,,
And May I add to say to you ,that should you at any Given Time Had Visited that hospital you would have been more horrifyed to see
What you would have seen And the conditions of the buildings and the outlay and the dark grim corridors and s
Social units for the very sick and mental cases that was thrown Into there and the high security units for such violent people with such disorders
Whom are highly dangerous and viciously attacked by patients whom actually harm the medical staff and the only way to contain these
People by force to restaint. Them from either themselves or staff
I myself Have seen first hand of this particular hospital above ground and the lower ground where these dangerous people are kept
In large wards together male and female patients actually screaming and shouting and jumping up and down on there beds
Fully clothed with hat and costs on on a red hot summers day to get into this section you had to ring the door bell and there is big heavy bolts
And key locks before they open the door of that big neavvy steel plate door and belekve me its really nerve racking to.be in there
On my visit I was highly petrifyed for the hours I was there visiting
When you walk down that drive of lodge road the further you walk and the closer you get to the building and enter its true its dark and
Intimdateing feeling you are watching your back for the fear of attack incidently I was attacked from behind but I had good reflectors
And had some one whom I was with knew the person whom attacked me and we took her to one of these prison cell wards
Where I witnessed the screaming and carrying one
I do not wish to offend you but as to what your relative was admitted in there fore do you know,
These
People have super strength within themselves and staff have to be very alert to protect themselves even thou they are highly trained
proffesionioaly to restrain them without harm to the patient and themselves must like prison officierrs have to be
And unfortunelatey things do happen like this
May I add I do have knowledge of this particular hospital and witnessed first hand of the hospital itself and the internal design
As we all know its originally Birmingham asylum an of a prison for Birmingham before the prison was extented and renamed
But all those cells are still there within that hospital below grounds believe me they are the original big cells where men in the 1800 s
Was kept together when prison life was in the dark ages
Becasuse of today's prison population at the green area years back they reclaimed some of the old wards to make more single cells for men
Some years ago in the seventys they built an holding block for women in Birmingham courts whom would have been remanded
For a couple of days and rather waste the ex pence of transporting them to Holloway prison in London
They thought they would keep them at the green but because the exp.osion of inmates now they. Needed the space
They abandoned it and back they weren't to Holloway the jam factory they used to call it way back in the early hears because they made all the jams and suppillied all
Prisons best wishe. Astonian,,,,,,,
hi janice
if you send the death certifcate and a letter telling them you would like the inquest report
it takes about six week the address is
CORONER COURT 50 NEWTON STREET BIRMINGHAM B4 6NE
or you can just pop in and give them the cert and letter good luck
josie
if you send the death certifcate and a letter telling them you would like the inquest report
it takes about six week the address is
CORONER COURT 50 NEWTON STREET BIRMINGHAM B4 6NE
or you can just pop in and give them the cert and letter good luck
josie
pjmburns
master brummie
Thanks to both of you. As far as I know the suicide was at home so I think I will try. It was in 1913. It was my Gt Grandfather - good job that my Dad thought it was suicide (based on what he called "little boys with big ears hearing their Mom and Aunt discussing it) otherwise the certificate would have been a shock.
Janice
Janice
happy to help josie..
HI all, I'm a new member interested in c.19 asylums - particularly Rubery Hill (if anyone has any information or is curious as to what please see my recent post). I have been searching in the archives at Birmingham library recently and they have a catalog folder (probably available online but personally i prefer tangible research) which I do believe includes this particular asylum. Aware I am 7 years too late in posting my reply, but hopefully the post holder is still active on here and will see this. Asylum records are often fairly rich and include things like medical casebooks, admission records, comments on cure/discharge/death etc. Some of the archives for asylums in B'ham were water damaged *but* if you give B'ham library a ring, as to be put through to the archives department and ask they may just be able to tell you what you may be able to access. Hope that helps 
Vickymariefaulkner
Brummie babby
I am interested to find out about a possible admission to Winson Green Asylum in Nov 1910 to Jan 1911. According to records, Benjamin John Hucks (3rd great grandfather) was admitted but this is based only on an admissions register so I can't verify if it is my relative. Anyone have any ideas about getting more Information? I guess the library is my best bet. I also have questions about Whitmore St in Hockley in the early 1900s but I haven't worked out how to use this site properly yet!HI all, I'm a new member interested in c.19 asylums - particularly Rubery Hill (if anyone has any information or is curious as to what please see my recent post). I have been searching in the archives at Birmingham library recently and they have a catalog folder (probably available online but personally i prefer tangible research) which I do believe includes this particular asylum. Aware I am 7 years too late in posting my reply, but hopefully the post holder is still active on here and will see this. Asylum records are often fairly rich and include things like medical casebooks, admission records, comments on cure/discharge/death etc. Some of the archives for asylums in B'ham were water damaged *but* if you give B'ham library a ring, as to be put through to the archives department and ask they may just be able to tell you what you may be able to access. Hope that helps
Vickymariefaulkner
Brummie babby
Okay great thanksnfor the reply. Now to find out some details about his admission! From what I can gather his wife died in Childbirth in 1902 and he seems to be registered as living in either a workhouse/boarding house in Coventry after his release from the asylum in 1911 so it would be good to get an idea of why he was admitted. The admission register records that he was released due to 'recovery.' I'm very new to all of this but it's great to read about others stories too.
Vickymariefaulkner
Brummie babby
Thank you for this as it confirms what I had found myself but I'm never too sure if what I've found is correct especially with the death of Nellie. I had found the name Ellen but wasn't sure. I think they're buried in Warstone Lane so now with a second opinion I'll check this out further.
And yes from what I found, Benjamin marries his late wife's brother's widow so I am assuming he (Charles Bailey) died in the war as Alice and Benjamin married in 1916 and Alice was recorded as a widow.
Could you or anyone find any information on 149 St John St Coventry as that's where Benjamin is listed as living in 1911. It's a very long list of men so I am just assuming it's some sort of boarding house? All the men are registered as lodgers. Would it have been common place for someone to be placed in such a place after leaving an asylum or would this have been by choice?
And yes from what I found, Benjamin marries his late wife's brother's widow so I am assuming he (Charles Bailey) died in the war as Alice and Benjamin married in 1916 and Alice was recorded as a widow.
Could you or anyone find any information on 149 St John St Coventry as that's where Benjamin is listed as living in 1911. It's a very long list of men so I am just assuming it's some sort of boarding house? All the men are registered as lodgers. Would it have been common place for someone to be placed in such a place after leaving an asylum or would this have been by choice?
Vickymariefaulkner
Brummie babby
I think the only thing that lead me to that conclusion was reading someone elses story about their nan who came from the asylum to the workhouse so I had nothing else to base it on but yes I guess he could just be working wherever he could find the work at the time. It just felt quite far away from home! Thanks for your help.
Vickymariefaulkner
Brummie babby
Yes I have this thank you. I have researched the meaning of the discharge code (as I couldn't read the handwriting) and it says unlikely to became an effective soldier. He was almost 40 when he joined! I do feel for him bless him. It would be good to know if there was a specific reason but I can't find any more military records than the ones you have attached.
pjmburns
master brummie
Sorry this is off thread title but linked to an earlier query.
John Gulson lived in Coventry - at 7 Priory Row (which still exists) and also The Spring at Stoke, Coventry. I assume he was connected in some way to the lodging house listed on 1911 census. When he died in 1904 his estate was valued at over £85500 (around£10 million today).
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Vickymariefaulkner
Brummie babby
Oh thank you this makes more sense!
Oh okay thank you I must have missed that! That should hopefully make it abit easier to find some information on it.
I’m presuming that Winson Green Asylum became All Saints Hospital adjacent to Dudley Road, and Summerfield ( Western Road ) Hospitals.
In the nineties I visited a couple of times someone who I had looked after for a while as a child.
The one ward appeared to have what I can only describe as prison type cells in a wall. They were not a kind of walk in cell, but more semi circular, and more like you would have to stoop to get in them, and lower in the ground. I am almost certain some patients slept in them. No bars were visible, but certainly they had a type of door on them.
The ward was not a locked ward, but it was extremely depressing, and the person I visited just walked out one day.
In the nineties I visited a couple of times someone who I had looked after for a while as a child.
The one ward appeared to have what I can only describe as prison type cells in a wall. They were not a kind of walk in cell, but more semi circular, and more like you would have to stoop to get in them, and lower in the ground. I am almost certain some patients slept in them. No bars were visible, but certainly they had a type of door on them.
The ward was not a locked ward, but it was extremely depressing, and the person I visited just walked out one day.