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William Guest British Lion Pub

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hi all... i know there was a white lion pub but could i have a look up please to confirm that there was a red lion pub along newtown row and where it was situated...

many thanks.

lyn:)
 
sorry i forgot to say if there was a red lion i am also looking for the name of the landlord in 1941...

many thanks for any help

lyn
 
Can't seem to finbd a red lion. As you say there was a White lion, and also a British Lion (William Guest in 1940)
Mike
 
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many thanks mike..off the top of my head i coulndnt recall a red lion...was william guest landlord of the white lion or the briish lion in 41???...im helping a member so i will get back to her...

lyn...
 
William Guest was the British Lion. The White Lion was Henry Yates. This was the1940 directory. The 1943 directory gave White Lion as Leonard William Young, and British lion still as William Guest. therefore the British lion would have been Guest in 1941, but can't be certain of the White lion in that year.
Mike
 
lyn and mike thank you so much ,its the british lion im looking for,grandads brother was william guest.
i hope that somewhere on the forum there is photo.
thanks again,im gobsmacked.
lynne
 
lynne..it a pleasure to help...right now all we need is a pic of the british lion pub....mike..was it on a corner...and lynne you also said that you were told william guest ran the green man in summer lane so maybe if mike you would be so kind as to see if you can find him there we do a pic of that pub already...

many thanks mike i think its just great when folk can trace back family history like this...

lyn
 
The British Lion was in Newtown Row, next door to Newtown Garage, then the Market Hall, then the Post Office on the corner of Asylum Road, there has been a thread about this a couple of times and I am sure there is a photo on the site somewhere.
 
hi sylvia...is this the british lion pub...cant see a name on it but it is next to the garage...i found it under the milton st thread...:rolleyes:reason being the buiding on the corner is barclays bank corner of milton...

lyn
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William Guest

1932-1933 The Green Man 141 Summer Lane (but only listed in Kellys as (no
141, beer retailer)
1936 He is not listed in Kellys
1937- 1950 British Lion
1955 He is no longer at British lion and not listed in Kellys

Mike
 
well lynne at least we have him at the british lion pub...of course as we dont know the exact year he may have been at the green man it does not mean to say he was not there....

many thanks mike...a star as usual...:)i thought it must be the british lion pub...

lyn
 
how i agree about the clever people on this forum.
just a few hours ago i thought my great uncle had been the landlord of the red lion in newtown row,now thanks to lyn and mike
i know he was at the british lion,how long he was there and a photo of the pub to boot,how great is that.
many thanks.
lynne
 
glad to help lynne..and if you could find out what year he was surposed to be at the green man maybe it would be possible to check it out again with a specific year...just in case he was there here is a pic of the pub in question...

lyn
 
hi lyn. thanks for the pic of the pub,ill ask my sister if she has got any info about the green man,
but she was the one who told me about the red lion so its not looking too good.

thanks again.
lynne
 
lynne..at least your sister got the lion part right:D so glad it wasnt the white lion further up the road as it looks such a scary place..like something out of a dracula film...:rolleyes: thats just my opinion though...

lyn
 
Hi Lynne,from the Electoral Rolls
1925 and 1930
The Green Man, 140/141 Summer Lane
William Guest and Helena Harriet Guest.
 
In 1950 at the British Lion together with Reginald Guest.
(Births Sep 1923 Ronald W Guest mmn Tibbins Birmingham vol 6d page 478 )
They had moved to 133 Arden Road,Handsworth by 1955.
 
Hi Lynne,this is just me being curious,but is it just coincidence that in 1950,Ronald W Guest was living with a Joan K Guest at 3 back of 140 Alma Street,
and at 140 Alma Street was William,Hilda,Jean and Harold Tibbins?
(Tibbins being Helena's maiden name?)
 
In the 1955 and 1956 Kellys he is listed at 133 Arden road as a grocer, but has gone by 1962 (still a grocers, but under a different name)
Mike
 
this is brillient:) at this rate lynne you will soon have a full family history:)i cant be posative but somewhere in my loose photos i have a copy of a pic of two of the pubs in summer lane taken round about the time william guest would have been at the green man..i know the one is of the stag but cant remember what the other pub is...i shall have a look later on and if its the green man you are very welcome to have the photo...

thanks again to mike and lady lynne....:)
 
With the name of John Shaw on the window,I would guess it would be the previous landlord whose partner was Eliza. (Electoral Rolls 1920 and 1922)
 
hi all,
wow what can i say, you will have to give me time to take all this in.
all i really knew before was that helena had been married before to someone named cooper.
thanks a million for all the info and photos im going to study it all now.

lynne.
 
This is the photo that started all this. Its William,Helena and Reginald Guest outside the back of the BRITISH lion pub newtown row.
lynne
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Hi Lynne,I think Helena was a Cooper before she married a Tibbins!
Marriages Jun 1912
Helena H Cooper married Ernest Tibbins Birmingham vol 6d page 78
Marriages Mar 1923
William Guest married Helena H Tibbins Birmingham vol 6d page 352
Marriages Mar 1945
Ronald W Guest married Joan K Jay Birmingham vol 6d page 373

The father of Ernest Tibbins was Walter,a Brass Dresser,who,interestingly,had become the manager of The White Swan in Warwick Street,with his second wife Elizabeth,in the 1911 census.
Hope this helps!
 
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