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Where is this tram?

That's a strange one, mike - I've never seen white top caps on BCT staff before, there's no destination boxes front or side, and what are the posters in the window? Can I read 'retreat' on one?
Can't picture anywhere with houses on a hill like left background, either.
 
I say that because the Coat of Arms although similar and although hazy doesn't look like " Forward " to me.
 
I think it's the old (pre 1936) one, Darby. I use the later one as my avatar - notice the differences, the older one was wider, the armour helmet is missing, and the 'ground' is a brown board, not green grass.
 
If yoy blow up the picture and look at the background there's what appears to be a semi-detached house on a cliff top on the far left. That couldn't be Brum.
In late 1933 Dover Corporation purchased two complete trams from Brum for £190 each and two spare bodies for £60 each. Another four were sold at a similar time to Merthyr Tydfil, but they took the top covers off before putting them in service. However Dover Corporation scrapped the trams at the end of 1936.
I have read that, despite their age, the Birmingham Corporation cars were regarded as the best in the fleet, and they were never repainted, although the livery looks more like the early 1920s BCT. From that picture the car looks very smart indeed, and I would guess that the bodies were revarnished (probably with the Dover coat of arms on the top of the BCT transfer) before they went out on the road in Dover.
Peter
 
OK, here's the answer. Dover. Picture of a Dover car at the same terminus (note the wall behind), and picture of Dover 26, ex Birmingham (ex Birmingham and Midland company car) outside the depot - note driver in white top hat. The car in your picture has a small destination blind box over the platform bulkhead window, like the 'home' Dover car, so it's the other one!
[Pictures by MJ O'Connor, from the Crich Tramway Village library website (https://www.tramway.co.uk)]
 
I knew it wouldn't take long to crack this one! Yes, it is one of the BCT cars that ended up with Dover Corporation. Here is another view of a similar Dover Corporation car (No.10). Note the plain mesh guard to the balcony compared to the attractive wrought iron work of the BCT car.
 
Just an observation, all the photos of Birmingham Trams I have seen have four side windows, the one in the photo has only three, can we be certain it is ex BCT, tram buffs whats the answer ?.
 
Darby said:
Just an observation, all the photos of Birmingham Trams I have seen have four side windows, the one in the photo has only three, can we be certain it is ex BCT, tram buffs whats the answer ?.
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Darby, the trams sold to Dover were of 3 bay design similar to the one shown below (before fitting of windscreen vestbules for the motorman). There were some cars sold to Merthyr Tydfil as well, where they were reduced to open toppers as shown below.
Mike
 
motorman-mike said:
Darby, the trams sold to Dover were of 3 bay design similar to the one shown below (before fitting of windscreen vestbules for the motorman). There were some cars sold to Merthyr Tydfil as well, where they were reduced to open toppers as shown below.
Mike
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Mike,
Thanks for that, so Birmingham wasn't the only place that had the narrow gauge, I thought we were.
Darby.
 
Darby, whilst 3' 6" was well known as 'Midland Standard' it was also used further afield by amongst others Southend on Sea, the Potteries network, Cheltenham, Plymouth and Bournemouth who sold redundant cars to Llandudno & Colwyn Bay Electric, who also had two streamliners from Darwen. Below is one of these in it's L&CB days. Looking a bit like a narrowed Blackpool car it would have been great to see streamliners and modernisation in Brum instead of the closure in 1953.
 
Mike,
Thanks again, thats something I did not know.
Here's something to get you thinking, it's a riddle which I cannot remember, it went something like this, where in Birmingham was the only place where two trams passed and so on, I think it was something to do with Rea Street.
Good Luck,
Darby.
 
I would guess that the answer would be a tram running 'To City' from the Coventry Road to Station Street would pass a tram running 'To City' from Moseley Road to Albert Street.
Peter
 
Tram is 21-70 or 221-300 class of UEC bodied Brills sold to Dover in 1931. All these trams had three side windows and after being top covered had wing windows on the balconies.
 
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