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Where is this No 113

mikejee

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Hope I've got the number of the thread right. This isn't a photo, as it disappeared about 170 years ago. I assume none of you have seen it in the flesh. It was then within the Birmingham area (to give a helping hint) Looks nice, but when it was destroyed it was described as "very confined and unhealthy". But then there were both idealists and property developers then as well. We'll never know which was correct
Mike
Note. On restoring photos, I have restored named picture to this post


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Mike

Radclyffe did many fine engravings of David Cox's paintings and drawings. I especially like the one of the Bull Ring & St Martins, but I haven't a clue about this one. I'll take a guess at Yardley Old Village simply because of the church spire in the background, and I suppose that would make the building the old schoolhouse.

Phil
 
None of you are near. Phil - I don't think Yardley was included in birmingham in 1830 or so.I agree its a lovely picture. (Ive just done my usual trick and had to alter 1930 to 1830 !!)
mike
 
mike i have no idea but its lovely..wouldnt mind spending a month there....

lyn
 
No Anthea. I'm not sure if Harborne was counted as birmingham then, but this place was nearer the centre. Competely unlike what you see there now
Mike
 
Mike

I think in the early 1800's Birmingham only stretched from Aston to Edgbaston. So I would plump for Edgbaston, somewhere close to Broad Street.

Phil
 
Sorry Phil. Not that. I'm not sure anyone is going to get it unless they've seen the titled print . To repeat, it was torn down about 1830, and was a building significant enough to be mentioned and a picture drawn and included in a book. It was also shown on at least some maps Birmingham
mike
 
Aint got a clue where it is, I am thinking Edgbaston/Harborne but wherever it was I wish I could have spent a few weeks there, it looks beautiful and relaxing
 
Think you're thinking a bit too far out. You're right though, it does look like a good retreat
mike
 
Right one last guess and I'm off to bed, I see water so Im going to assume (always dangerous) that its the Rea. In that case the steeple in the background would be St Martins.

Thats as far as I can guess, somewhere on the banks of the Rea in Didbeth before they put the river in a culvert.

Phil
 
The only other water around there would be the moat on the seat of the Lord of Birmingham.

Phil
 
You've won the jackpot Phil. Yes it was the Rectory, or, as it was called in the title on the print , the Parsonage. I assume that the engraving is reasonably accurate for the time it was made, though, if you look at the the representation on the 1931 map, then you wouldn't recognise it . The engraving is from "Graphical illustartions of Warwickshire". It's downloadable from the net and has got some really nice engravings, though some peculiar colours seem to unlaod as well in the engravings, so you have to view in b& w only for best effect.
Mike


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Mike

In total honesty, I hadn't a clue of the location. I just researched the subject on the web. It might be classed as cheating, but after having a couple of honest guesses and I didn't think anybody was going to come up with an answer, I couldn't see any harm in it. Besides it has broadened my knowledge of Birmingham in several directions, and that can't be bad.

Phil
 
Phil
I don't think anyone could consider it cheating when something is that old, and no-one alive can have seen it. I was surprised that, considering that it is quite prominent in early maps, very little seems to have been written about it. It is briefly mentioned in the book the picture came from and again in Hutton's Birmingham. It is also mentioned in passing in Dent's Old & New Birmingham, but they seem to confuse the matter by referring to a drawing of it by Cox, which they supposedly reproduce. I presume the drawing referred to is the one in this thread, but the drawing reproduced looks nothing like a rectory, but does look very like St Phillips. I attach it for comment. This is from the 1973 reprint, but no-one seems to have noticed, corrected or commented on it .
 
Mike

As you say, it seems even in those days, Authors employed very poor researchers, and proof readers if it comes to that. That drawing is definitely Birmingham Cathedral (St Philip's). As you say strange.

Phil
 

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Looking at the Pictures of Both I would say that was or is St Phillips not St Martins like Phil spent some time going round the inter net and found out stuff I didn't know for which thank you Mike as for the original painting it was not one I could find anywhere and as david cox was a very Prolific Artist his work appers in a lot of galleries all over the place as do engravings by W Radclyffe The picture Entitled the Parsonage is probably Err "Poetic licence" by David Cox and could well have been the vicarage? maybe not? again thanks Mike enjoyed chasing round LOL
 
The ivy bush hagley rd it used be oppersite the ivy bush puband the top of monument rd junction there is big office blocks there now
astonian ;;;;;;
 
G G Jean
I rember Taplins that lived in St martins Flats two sisters I think or maybe it was mother & daughter
 
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