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well done Other Half..dont want to argue but it really does look like the Bristol Rd ..we will pop around tomorrow and take a few pics
 
I think for my two penneth I think it says 'Cook ^ Smoked' refering to meats and I too would go for Tyburn Rd, lived near there just off Chester Rd in the 1960's.
 
if you really squint your eyes at the shop, could it be cool ices? do you think they had ice cream shops in the '40s?
 
S.A.Godsall is also mentioned on the Corinthian Lodge (No. 4432) website.

From: https://www.corinthianlodge.co.uk/history.htm


Peace and Unity Lodge
It pleasing to know that Corinthian Lodge gave birth to our daughter Lodge Peace and Unity. On 17th January, 1942, W.Bro. H L Cartwright, Master, informed the Brethren of the Lodge that several Past Masters and Brethren were desirous of form.ing a new Lodge. It had been decided by the proposed founders to remain members of Corinthian Lodge. Accordingly W.Bro. S A Godsall MC Prov.GJW, proposed that the Master and Wardens be authorised to sign a petition to the United Grand Lodge of England, requesting consideration of the matter. The proposition was seconded by W.Bro. J M McDonell PPAG.Supt.Wks and was carried.
The United Grand Lodge of England gave its consent and as a result the Lodge of Peace and Unity No. 5844 was consecrated on 15th May, 1942 by W.Bro. F Monk PGD., Assistant Provincial Grand Master in Charge. All founder members were members of Corinthian Lodge and W.Bro. S A Godsall ProvJGW. was installed as the first Master.
Seven members have been through the Chair of both Lodges namely: - W.Bro. S A Godsall Prov.PGW., W.Bro. P B Waldron PPAGDC, W.Bro. H L Cartwright PPAGSTDB.,W.Bro. W F Adams PPJGW, W.Bro. E A Kirby, W.Bro. C I Thompson PPSGW and W. Bro. P V Knowles PPJGW
 
This is where I thought the picture was taken, on Bristol Rd South - almost opposite Bodenham Road... but as remarked previously, the sun is in the wrong place! :o)
The photo was taken at 3.30pm and the sun was behind me.
 
Printmeister, looking at your image, and having passed same spot this morning and had a ganders I must say this looks to be the same location, as a previous poster mentioned, the salute would have been taken outside the police station, next to Kalamazoo, also the trams used to run up and down the central reservation as can be seen in the first image with the tram going up the gradient to Northfield., if I had to take sides in would be the Bristol Road South.
 
I'm really grateful for the continuing interest in this conundrum and especially to printmeister for going to all the trouble of providing the modern view.

Tantalisingly similar, aren't they! You can't quite follow the upper storeys of the shops in the old image (I suppose the current buildings DO look prewar?) and the slope in the road looks less pronounced in the modern. But otherwise the general similarity is striking - road and pavement width, buildings, trees etc. especially if one takes into account the marginally different perspective.

The owner of the original magazine image has been kind enough to have a good squint at it through a magnifier. He and his wife both think that the shop name is The Cook Shop. Are there any directories, electoral rolls etc. which might help with this business name, over and above what everyone has already looked at as a result of this thread? Would it be any use my asking this specific question in any other section of the forum, do you think?

Chris
 
Chris
I've already looked for Cook shop (with and without the "The") in the 1940 and 1943 Kellys, to no avail. The trouble is, if it is "The cook shop", it may well be listed under the owners name.
mike
 
Thanks, Mike.

As printmeister and others have pointed out, one of the problems of the Bristol Road theory is the question of shadows.

My addled brain has been trying to recall geography lessons of too long ago. I'm right in saying (aren't I?) that the sun takes 12 hours to move 180 degrees. Printmeister's photo was taken at 3.30 p.m. in the winter. In midsummer 1940 we were on standard BST = 1 hour in advance (Double BST didn't come in until 1941). So in 1940 terms the new photo was taken at 4.30 p.m.

I reckon the difference in shadow between the two photos is 110-120 degrees, which means a 7.5 - 8 hour difference. So, if this IS the Bristol Road, Mr. Godsall and his blokes must have neen parading early, at 8.30 - 9.00 a.m. - which makes it all just about feasible.

I think the above arithmetic and logic are correct, but do the shadows on the earlier pic look right for that time of the morning? Is the slope difference in the road accounted for entirely by the cameraman's elevation? (It seems he was standing on the top of a car or truck). And/or the possible use of a slightly telescopic lens. And I still have the other problem - several people remain convinced about the Tyburn Road and my own information (from 1943 and I believe to be accurate although it's just conceivable that it isn't) puts this group firmly in the Aston/Erdington area in 1940.

It has been pointed out that there is a small, (possibly) road sign in the hedge beyond the reviewing party but again, blow it, that's illegible.

I think we are reaching the stage of flogging this one to death and I don't want to bore everyone; but if anyone has any final thoughts.....

Chris
 
morning chris...this has certainly been an entertaining poser...and also educational...i agree that the recent pic taken does bare a striking resemblance to your original..its just a pity that we cant make out any shop names clearer...although i still think that its not cook its cool....dont give up just yet...

lyn
 
I'm convinced it's Tyburn road. You get to the allotments through the gap in the shops. The little shop is the Curry Gardens now.
 
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derek.. this must rank as one of the trickiest so far....good luck to all...i havent got a clue..mind you thats nothing unusual...lol

lyn
 
having said earlier I thought it was the Bristol road south however looking again I am not so sure and Derek is so I would have to give way to Derek the only thing I wasnt sure of was the slight incline or rise dont place where on the tyburn road that was but what makes me more unsure about BST is the home guard Based in erdington so Derek (and others )I bow to superior knowledge TOM
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This will probably hinder rather than help, but I now find I have another image of blokes in the same Battalion who presumably will have been photographed in a similar part of the city at around the same time - perhaps even on the same day..

Again it looks as though it's on the side of a dual carriageway. The pillar looks distinctive - holding up a canopy of some sort?

Chris
 
Thank,s Tom, just nice and i,m sure with this one the location location is in or around brum.
i am 99.9% sure it is tyburn rd having spent time in the area in our courting days IE the chippie across the rd,it was,nt that we could go back to my house or the girlfriends at that time mine or her parents would,nt allow it,so it was have a couple of beers bag of chips and things i could,nt possibly put on here.
happy days best wishes to all Derek. PS thanks Lyn for a great thread..
 
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