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Thomas Elvins New Street Birmingham 1781

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I am researching Bretby Hall, South Derbyshire. This famed Hall & gardens which rivalled Versailles was demolished in 1780/81. All the Building Materials of Bratby Hall [sic] were listed for sale with 'further particulars apply to Thomas Elvins, New-street, Birmingham' (Derby Mercury 4th May 1781) Can anyone enlighten me as to the said Thomas Elvins or where I might their archive?
 
Is this the same firm in later times?
 
How interesting! A joiner & metalworker! I wonder why he would have been chosen to dispose of the 'building materials of Bratby Hall and Chapel, near Burton upon Trent, consisting of a large Catton Stone [Ketton Stone] Portico'? More intrigue. Thank you once again.
 
Thomas Elvins is listed as an apprentice carpenter on 1753 indenture list.
By 1768 he is lsted as the master and has an apprentice. Also has apprentices listed in 1791 and 1797. Sometimes it says joiner and sometimes carpenter.
 
This is fascinating as I am looking at records I have never seen. In 1800 on Warwickshire land tax records. There is an entry across the double page spread which suggests he paid £ditto (and the entry several lines above is a 2 so I assume £2 3s and 3d and the payee was Mander of London. It does say Elvin (no "s") but I think it is the same person.
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How interesting! The plot thickens! The perfect inquiry on this dreadful day! I wonder what else may come to light? I am pleased your are enjoying this excursion))) Thank you again.
 
If the 5th Earl of Chesterfield demolished and rebuilt the Hall in 1812 (Wikipedia) then as much building material was disposed of around 1780 (including 30-40 tons of lead pipe) then it did take some time to get going !
 
There is a transcript only on Ancestry
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This makes me think the apprentice Thomas Elvins in 1753 may have been a son of the above. He is hardly likely to be an apprentice and have a business.
 
If the 5th Earl of Chesterfield demolished and rebuilt the Hall in 1812 (Wikipedia) then as much building material was disposed of around 1780 (including 30-40 tons of lead pipe) then it did take some time to get going !
Absolutely! The 5th Earl loved his horses!
 
There is a transcript only on Ancestry
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This makes me think the apprentice Thomas Elvins in 1753 may have been a son of the above. He is hardly likely to be an apprentice and have a business.
I think you may be right. Thank you so much again. My pondering makes me ask what the link between Chas Burton, the steward charged with the task and Elvins had in common. Why go to Birmingham when Derby is just down the road?
 
If the 5th Earl of Chesterfield demolished and rebuilt the Hall in 1812 (Wikipedia) then as much building material was disposed of around 1780 (including 30-40 tons of lead pipe) then it did take some time to get going !
There is also considerable demolition debris dotted around & under the present estate. It was a huge undertaking.
 
I wondered if there was a connection between Elvins and the steward. Now you have provided his name I will look. As you know records are patchier the further back you go.
 
Not getting anywhere at the moment.
I don't subscribe to the newspaper site but can see this - perhaps someone who does subscribe could see if it has any further useful info. It seems to have been in several different editions and days.
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Thank you Janice. I have the British Newspaper Archive online. It is from this advertisement I discovered the Elvins connection. Your endeavours are greatly appreciated.
Kindest regards,
Richard
 
Is this the same firm in later times?
Elvins in Naden Road, Handsworth, was my first job in 1962 at the age of 14 after leaving Summer Lane School. We were kind of was asked to respond to the owners as Mr. Tom or Mr. John.
I was in the costing office run by Mr. Bertie (who I thought was quite old at the time)
Looking back it was a good firm to work for and have happy memories of all the people there.
 
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