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The Shipping Forecast

ragga

master brummie
Does anyone on here listen to the Shipping Forecast , its aired on Radio 4 at 0048 and 0548 I do listen in sometimes but i cant get to understand it:( Can you ?? I must admit i do like the music to it .
ragga :)

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFdas-kMF74"]YouTube- Classic BBC Radio Theme ~ Shipping Forecast (Sailing By)[/ame]
 
''Sailing By'' I love it...whenever I hear it I feel everything is OK with the world. There's a site, Google it, that explains how the 'shipping foercast' works; it's really very simple once it has been explained.
 
i dont listen now but when we only had a radio when growing up i always heard it and didnt understand - something like fisher dogger and german byte or something :D
 
i dont listen now but when we only had a radio when growing up i always heard it and didnt understand - something like fisher dogger and german byte or something :D


I've got an ash-tray that has all the weather regions marked on a map of the British Isles...it certainly does help when you can visualise all the places the forecast mentions.
 
Ragga,
I hope the information on these three copies will help you to begin to understand the BBC Shipping Forecast.
They were taken from the so-called "Yachtsman’s Bible", officially known as "Reeds Nautical Almanac" and you'll find many definitions which tend to confuse people without a specific interest in the subject; here you will find the precise difference between "rapidly" and "very rapidly" and what the exact meaning of "rising or falling slowly, quickly and very rapidly" is.
Fascinated to see you're in Wolverhampton; difficult to be further from the sea !!
If I can help in any other way, don't hesitate to ask.
Happy, safe surfing, but keep an eye on the weather, db84124
 
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Sailing By it is and I lost count of the years I've been listening to the shipping forcast, but there is something that only Britain could do and make it seem interesting:)
 
db84124 - The pictures were there then they weren't? Odd very very odd.
 
ragga this might help, it did for me. All I can think of is those brave Sailors


 
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Yes, Bernie, you're quite right. I spotted a copyright paragraph at the beginning of Reeds and hastily decided to remove them. I'm now trying to cancel my posting.
I hope to re-post the information this evening, when I fully understand my legal position.
David
 
That's OK then I thought I was going mad. Might be worth a Google to see if there is a link that could be used - such as this one perhaps?

If the definitions are Nationally agreed ones David it may be OK to post the extract?
 
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Absolutely brilliant, Bernie and Alf. I think -and hope - that between us we have given Ragga not only food for thought, but a full six-course meal to enjoy, digest and perhaps supplement with further trimmings.
Thanks lads for your generous support when I found myself in a legal dilemma: publish or stick to the letter of copyright law.
Ragga, my offer of further help and/or suggestions to deepen your understand still applies. Merry Christmas, David
 
So its not only Jokes then David which I don't understand most of the time:D
 
You were great Alf; thanks very much.
Talking of the shipping forecast, have you - or, of course, anyone else who may stumble on this thead - seen the brilliant Ken Roach film of the Barry Hines book "A Kestrel for a Knave", i.e. Kes? Do you remember the outstandingly good classroom scene in which Billy Casper's form master is calling out the register? "Abbot?" he says. "Sir." is the reply. "Barter?" "Sir." "Bridges?" "Sir" "Casper?" "Sir." "Clegg?" "Sir." "Fisher?" And Billy absentmindedly says "German Bight." The following pupil is absent, but having heard an offered answer, the teacher had already put his tick alongside Fisher's surname, ruining his register and infuriating him.
An absolutely superb example of what a productive British film industry used to produce. David
 
You were great Alf; thanks very much.
Talking of the shipping forecast, have you - or, of course, anyone else who may stumble on this thead - seen the brilliant Ken Roach film of the Barry Hines book "A Kestrel for a Knave", i.e. Kes? Do you remember the outstandingly good classroom scene in which Billy Casper's form master is calling out the register? "Abbot?" he says. "Sir." is the reply. "Barter?" "Sir." "Bridges?" "Sir" "Casper?" "Sir." "Clegg?" "Sir." "Fisher?" And Billy absentmindedly says "German Bight." The following pupil is absent, but having heard an offered answer, the teacher had already put his tick alongside Fisher's surname, ruining his register and infuriating him.
An absolutely superb example of what a productive British film industry used to produce. David


An excellent film but one with an overly political bias...if I recalll, much of the theme was about capitalism forcing people into feeding its rapacious appetites...no jobs except down the pit etc. As I recall, jobs were 'ten a penny' at that time; whereas now, a job in a coal-mine would be seen as a blessing for many. But, it's always easier to espouse the socialist cause...it wouldn't have been much of a film if the lad just decided to become a milkman! Rant over! ;)
 
Oh I never look at Films and think, I just watch to relax JohnO:)


Well to be honest, I don't either, but Ken Loach does, and it was his film so I have to take his word for it. You didn't think I came up with all that on my own, did you??? I've only got a little brain me...:D
 
I’ve seen the film more than 10 times (I’ve got the video) and I have never once even noticed a slight implication of political bias. Yes, times are hard. And Billy, just like any other lad in his early teens, downrightly refuses to go down the pit.
The only “bias” I’ve spotted is the socially – not politically – unacceptable portrayal of state school teachers. In the film they are all heavily characterised as stereotypical, pompous, egocentric pupil-haters.
But who went to a school in which there weren’t similar teachers to the three or four stylized masters that appear in Ken Loach’s film? I can tell you that at Bordesley Green Tech there were several teachers who could have walked into “Kes” with no advice, suggestions or instructions from Loach whatsoever.
If there is political bias – and John’s post #17 states there is – it was way over my head. I saw – and continue to see – Kes as a touching story of a fatherless lad who was experiencing extreme difficulty in forming a relationship with anybody around him. Thanks to his love of his flighty kestrel – which could symbolise freedom from the tyrannical treatment from all about him – he eventually befriends his English master, the only person to see any qualities in the boy at all.
A truly beautiful picture which always make me cry. David :crying:
 
I’ve seen the film more than 10 times (I’ve got the video) and I have never once even noticed a slight implication of political bias. Yes, times are hard. And Billy, just like any other lad in his early teens, downrightly refuses to go down the pit.
The only “bias” I’ve spotted is the socially – not politically – unacceptable portrayal of state school teachers. In the film they are all heavily characterised as stereotypical, pompous, egocentric pupil-haters.
But who went to a school in which there weren’t similar teachers to the three or four stylized masters that appear in Ken Loach’s film? I can tell you that at Bordesley Green Tech there were several teachers who could have walked into “Kes” with no advice, suggestions or instructions from Loach whatsoever.
If there is political bias – and John’s post #17 states there is – it was way over my head. I saw – and continue to see – Kes as a touching story of a fatherless lad who was experiencing extreme difficulty in forming a relationship with anybody around him. Thanks to his love of his flighty kestrel – which could symbolise freedom from the tyrannical treatment from all about him – he eventually befriends his English master, the only person to see any qualities in the boy at all.
A truly beautiful picture which always make me cry. David :crying:



Eh? It's a 'KEN LOACH' film - of course it is political! And the 'bias' is loud and clear....Loach says so himself, you don't have to accept my word for it.
 
I don't sleep too well and have for a long time have Radio4 on low volume during the night. Sailing Bye marks the change over from World Service back to Radio4 and I often hear the shipping forecast. I cannot remember all the areas but know enough to have an idea about the location being spoken about. They start in the Channel and work clock wise around the British isles, then give information from automatic weather stations.
Its indispensable to me living , as I do, about 80 odd miles from the sea.
 
Does anyone on here listen to the Shipping Forecast , its aired on Radio 4 at 0048 and 0548 I do listen in sometimes but i cant get to understand it:( Can you ?? I must admit i do like the music to it .
ragga :)

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFdas-kMF74"]YouTube- Classic BBC Radio Theme ~ Shipping Forecast (Sailing By)[/ame]


The Shipping Forecast is your/our maritime history.
The Shipping Forecast is in a way to understand the sinking of the Titanic or the battle for the Atlantic. The Compass Rose.
It is the same poem but it's beauty is it changes every day.
Here is my connection when I was 8, with the weather in the English Channel.

I'd bolted my tea and I was listening for the confident sound that my father's footsteps made coming up the yard after work.
Dressed in his navy blue overalls with a loose brown jacket over the top, he came through the kitchen into the front room. In his arms wrapped in a large piece of brown paper was a box like shape.
My mother had just finished making his tea and was wiping her hands on a tea towel, my sister and I watched (holding our breath) as the package was unwrapped.
Dad carefully lifted it up. It was a radio. Our radio. Our very first radio.
We didn't have a desk or cabinet to stand it on so Dad placed a washing board across the arms of a chair and the radio on the washing board. The radio was oblong, a light brown veneered case, with two dark brown knobs, one for off and on and the other for tuning. It had a large white dial on the right and a speaker on the left, behind silken straw coloured cloth framed with intricate fret work, I couldn't wait for Dad to turn it on.
He couldn't.
We didn't have electricity. The house only had gas.
"We'll get an accumulator tomorrow." he said.
There was nothing we could do. So my sister and I sat on the floor next to it and turned the tuning in knob.
The Home Service. The Light Programme. Scottish, North, West, Welsh, Hilversum, Brussels, Lyons, Paris,. Stockholm, Prague.
The Light Programme, Welsh, Scottish, North, West, Paris,. Brussels, Hilversum, Stockholm, Prague. We did this for an hour and then we went to bed.
The next evening dad came home with an accumulator. It looked like a large thick glass brick with a wire handle on the top. It had two terminals, black and red. Inside were some strips of metal standing vertically.
"What's that liquid in.......?
"DON'T GET THAT ON YOU IT'S ACID." said Dad. It's sulphuric acid, wash your hands, it will rot your clothes! Don't get it on you, it's sulphuric acid. Don't get it on you.

Dad got the square biscuit tin that he kept his 5 essential tools in from the cupboard, took out an old pair of pliers and connected up the leads from the radio to the accumulator. Lined up the red line on The Home Service, then turned the knob to on.
Nothing. Then a hum.
"It's the valves." Said Dad.
Then Radio spoke 'Here is the news'.

I sat on the floor with my arms around my drawn up knees staring up at the dial and looked at the point where the red line intersected the Midland Home service.
The radio changed my life.
I met all kinds of people. I couldn't wait to get home from school
At 5 o'clock Children's Hour started."
"I say Jennings where did you get that strange stone?"
"Hello young gardeners, my names Percy Thrower and I'm going to pot up some Begonias."
"The Ninth Legion marched north and that's the last we ever saw of them. A cold swirling mist just closed in behind them."
For the first time in her life my mother had no problem getting us to come into the house in the evening to get ready for bed. In our pyjamas with a biscuit in hand we could sip our Ovaltine, and listen to;
"The Archers, an everyday story of country folk."
"Well Tom Forest, what are we going to do?
"I'm blowed if I know............Oh dear!.......... Oh dear oh lor!......... "
Music: "DAN DER RAN DER RAN DER RAN, DA DER DAH, DA DIDDLY DAH!"....................
Journey into Space, with Doc, Mitch and Lemmy on thinking they were all alone on Mars.
"Doc! Doc!"
"Yes Mitch."
" What's that over there?"
"My god, it's a light and it's moving!"

"Now we have the stars of stage, screen and radio with the BBC review orchestra under the baton of Henry Hall."
"Good evening, my name is Henry Hall and tonight, is my guest night."
It was eight o'clock, we had to say "Good night." It was time for mysister and I to go to bed.
When I listened to the radio I saw everything in colour.
Jean Metcalfe, with "Two Way Family Favourites" at lunchtime on Sunday always wore an orange lipstick.
On children's hour, Toad in "Toad of Toad Hall wore a bright yellow waistcoat.
Mrs. Dale when she told us she was "Worried about Jim," took off a large round black hat and hung up a camel coat
Freddy Grisewood on Friday nights "Any Questions" had a blue checked shirt, a blue and red stripped tie and light brown suede shoes.
And Dan Archer drove a mud spattered red Massey Ferguson tractor around Brookfield Farm.

The following January on a cold morning I got up early to the smell of a kipper being grilled over the fire. The kettle next to the kipper was boiling. It was nearly 7 o'clock and Dad was preparing to go out to work.
The radio now sitting on a cabinet was giving the farming and shipping forecast.
"Dover............Wight.............Sole.............visibility...........one...........mile...........1012.......falling.............Biscay.................Scilly..............Finnesterre......
.......1004..............two............miles...............falling.........Malin............Rockall............Shannon..............four...........miles.................1016.................clearing.
I loved the names in the shipping forecast. Tyne, Cromarty, Goodwin, Bight. Dogger.
On the breakfast table was a copy of the Daily Express newspaper. The front page showed a picture of a ship the Flying Enterprise listing right over on her starboard side. There was a black smudge with a circle around it.
The smudge was Captain Carlsen. He was waving.
I poured some milk over my weetabix and studied the picture.
"Would you like a cup of tea?" "Yes Dad."
"That was the end of the weather forecast for farmers and shipping, after the Greenwich Time Signal, it will be time for the news."
Beep.Beep.Beep.
"It's seven oclock. Here is the news."
"After nine days of battling gale force winds in the English Channel, the Captain of the Flying Enterprise, Captain Kurt Carlsen is still on the bridge of the Enterprise. The Enterprise is now said to be listing heavily in deteriorating conditions ."
I went to school in the rain.
It rained all day.
As soon as I'd had my tea, I sat down close to the fire. on one of two tin boxes that formed the ends of the fender. In the box I was sitting on we kept coal. The tops of the boxes were padded and covered with a brown vinyl. The top was hinged and inside was a metal box in which was stored the coal for that night. The box on the other side of the fireplace contained shoe polish and brushes. The tin boxes were embossed with castle turrets.
" This is the Home Service. Here is the news."
"This afternoon in the English Channel in gale force winds and heavy seas, 54 miles from Falmouth, the battered and heavily listing American freighter Flying Enterprise, sank.
The Captain, Captain Kurt Carlsen was picked up from the sea by the tug Turmoil just before the Enterprise went down.
Captain Carlsen had been fighting for Eleven days in atrocious conditions to save his ship ."
Captain Carlsen and the mate, from the Turmoil Mr. Dancy , climbed to the top of the funnel and jumped into rough seas.
They were picked up by the Turmoil and are both safe.
The American destroyer Willard Keith, which was also standing by reported that 39 minutes after the captain jumped, At 4 10 pm. the Enterprise rose very slowly by the bows, paused, then suddenly plunged stern first leaving only a tell tale swirl."

This is one of my memories of the Shipping Forecas.

ladywood
 
Ladywood,
You paint a very vivid mental picture of the old "steam radio", when the recycled word "wireless" was our way of referring to our prime means of contact with what was happening in the world, the UK and even on the other side of the city.
Beautifully written. Thank you. db84124
 
Simply for a question of accuracy, the Scilly Isles are now in an area which is known as “Plymouth”; personally I can’t recall the word “Scilly” ever having been used as a weather forecast sea area. “Finisterre” – although used by the French and Spanish forecasters – is now called “Fitzroy” by the British authorities; “Goodwin”, the world-renown area feared for its sandbanks lying six miles off the coast of Deal, Kent, is not a weather forecast sea area but is found astride the areas called “Thames” and “Dover”; “Bight” should be “German Bight”.
Only in the interest of exactness do I point out these “inaccuracies”. I do not wish to draw one’s attention away from the wonderful 'poetry' of Ladywood’s post in the least. David
 
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Thanks for the correction, you are right.
Finisterre is still on one old map I have, with no Fitzroy in view.
Unfortunately I can't seem to get the attachment icon to work.
Many thanks anyway.


ladywood
 
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