Phil
Certainly J A Wheeler & Solomon Wilkes were listed there in 1855 and 1858. Can;t fit the Thomas xxx to the right of the Crown name . the landlord in 1855 was
Thomas Dayson, so maybe that was it, though it doesn't look like Dayson to me. There is a Thomas Franks , furniture broker at 183, but I reckon that would be too far along to be shown in the photo.
mike
Hi, I can't unfortunately view this image, but I think that might be Thomas Fletcher. I have history in my family that a Thomas Fletcher owned the pub at some point.Phil
Certainly J A Wheeler & Solomon Wilkes were listed there in 1855 and 1858. Can;t fit the Thomas xxx to the right of the Crown name . the landlord in 1855 was
Thomas Dayson, so maybe that was it, though it doesn't look like Dayson to me. There is a Thomas Franks , furniture broker at 183, but I reckon that would be too far along to be shown in the photo.
mike
could you give us a year as some members may be able to look it up for youI was wondering if anyone has come across a Thomas Fletcher being an owner at some point? I have history in my family that he once owned the pub.
Well I have that he was born in 1864. He was married to an Emma Jane Timmins. My granny as a little girl remembers being there a lot. She said they had a lot of servants and a young maid who was like a teenager learning the job, called a tweeny. She cleaned the stairs and banisters between the floors. There was also an underground cellar place where they kept barrels of cider etc. My granny is 95 years old this year, she was born in 1926. So lets add 8 years to that for a little girl, 1934ish....could you give us a year as some members may be able to look it up for you
lyn
this is great because Gladys & Myra were my granny's fathers siblings...so there is a connectionThomas Frederick, Emma Jane, Gladys & Myra Fletcher are listed in the online electoral rolls as at the Old crown -n 1930. They were not there in 1925, and had left by the 1935 rolls. The 1927 rolls do not appear to have an entry for 188/189, which is the Old Crown
this is amazing!!! THANK YOUThomas Fletcher is listed in Kellys directory in 1932 and 1933. The year is the publication date and probably refers to the year before. so so he was probably licensee up till at least 1932 but not after 1934
Do you have any further information on J A Wheeler - (Christian Names, Wife, Children, Dates of his time at the butchers. My family has a painting done by a Paul Bradden showing the old crown, J A Wheeler butcher and Solomon Wilkes's sign on the end of the building - supposedly done in payment of his bar bill - but that maybe an old wives tale - Have tried to locate through census etc but to no avail. Will be grateful if you are able to assist or point me in a good direction so I can progress this side of my family history. This is the 1st time on the B'ham History Forum so please forgive me if I am in the wrong place as I am finding it difficult to navigate.
Hi, I can't unfortunately view this image, but I think that might be Thomas Fletcher. I have history in my family that a Thomas Fletcher owned the pub at some point.
Thomas Dayson was the landlord of the Old Crown from 1853 to 1858. His name is clearly visible, over the right hand door, in higher resolution versions of this picture e.g. the version in John Whybrow's 'How does your Birmingham grow?' Keith Turner in his book 'Birmingham Pubs' used the presence of Dayson's name to date the photo.Phil
Certainly J A Wheeler & Solomon Wilkes were listed there in 1855 and 1858. Can;t fit the Thomas xxx to the right of the Crown name . the landlord in 1855 was
Thomas Dayson, so maybe that was it, though it doesn't look like Dayson to me. There is a Thomas Franks , furniture broker at 183, but I reckon that would be too far along to be shown in the photo.
mike